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Official Rugby Thread
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StephenZA
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What did he do wrong? I thought he refed the game pretty well...
StephenZA
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That first try was great... Ireland seem to just lose loose structure on occasion, and make silly mistakes. When at their best as good as anybody.
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They reckon there was another clear red and a penalty try on NZ that he didn’t give. And that his commentary on the red he did give was absurd, just called it completely wrong.
Also when NZ went down to 13 and uncontested scrums they were supposed to lose another man, and he just plain got the rules wrong.
James
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Yeah no complaints with the ref. Ireland well and truly deserved that win.
If you've been following NZ Rugby the past couple of years, it's in a sorry state of affairs with the losses we've have and the depth of players. The calls for Foster to be dumped as coach will only get louder as the weeks go by. We're at our weakest in probably 20 years.
If you were naming a World 15 today, you'd have to think hard whether a single All Black would form part of the team which is almost unheard of.
StephenZA
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So the first yellow did not hit the guy in the head. Never seen a red given for that unless you hit him in the head. The red was clear but also clearly unintentional. Hence his apology to player, showing empathy for a player is not the same as bias.
They lost a second prop after the red. They could not easily substitute until the yellow had passed. It was why they ended up losing Ardie Savea.
StephenZA
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If there is any chance of a try being stopped you don’t give a penalty try. There is a possible defender there.
Fuller Pilch
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It has to "foul play prevents a probable try being scored". It was possible Ireland could've got a try, not probable. Very well deserved victory to the men in green though.
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Can’t speak for the rest of the world but in Europe that collision gets a red every time these days. I have no strong opinion on whether it should.
With the penalty try, I saw some arguing that ***ton had missed the offload opportunity. I think it should be a penalty try, both in spirit and by the letter. I’d call it a probable try for sure, and I don’t see why the player who cynically wipes someone out off the ball gets the benefit of the doubt.
But it’s a defensible decision. The frustration on Twitter was more that the ref’s reasoning was insane. Literally saw a covering defender that didn’t exist.
With the penalty try, I saw some arguing that ***ton had missed the offload opportunity. I think it should be a penalty try, both in spirit and by the letter. I’d call it a probable try for sure, and I don’t see why the player who cynically wipes someone out off the ball gets the benefit of the doubt.
But it’s a defensible decision. The frustration on Twitter was more that the ref’s reasoning was insane. Literally saw a covering defender that didn’t exist.
weeman27bob
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Maybe I've got rose-tinted glasses on for usually watching UK commentary, but I'm watching the Australian commentary for the England vs. Australia game and some of the Australian bias is ridiculous.
ripper868
International Coach
I'm watching the sky sports feed and the English commentary has been horrid.
If you've got Phil Kearns etc on the aussie feed though, they are turgid.
England deserved that win tbf. Critical moment for me was the not straight lineout throw call on England 5m, where they subsequently went 90m and put 3 points up to make ot 25-17. If Faingaa gets that throw right, Aus maul, acore, take 2 point lead. But on such margins international matches are won.
2-0 NH so far. Reverse sweep of last week?
Howe_zat
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It's honestly a massive blight on Australian rugby and it feeds a whole culture of it among the fans and even people who should know better like the coaches. You used to be able to see Michael Chieka responding to literally every penalty conceded by Australia with outrage at the referee. There are plenty of Australians who seem to think they've never lost a fair game, especially against England.
Pretty sure social or someone will be in here shortly to explain why the referee was horribly biased in this game too, like all the refs were for the 8 games in a row they lost against England. Ripper is an absolute saint for rising above itbt
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Edit: For a comparison with Sky commentary, the bias is there but I think it's different. It's usually taking the form of either overrating English players or just never talking about the opposition because they don't know who they are. They (looking at you, Stuart Barnes, but others are guilty as well) also have a bad habit of trying to badly wax poetic and start trying to show off instead of focusing on the actual game. It's dire but I don't mind that so much, as penalty whinging is the thing that really gets me.
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Howe_zat
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3-0 if you count France beating Japan if you subscribe to the notion of the hemisphere battle as 'europe stick'.
Though on your second part I reckon Wales threw absolutely everything at getting within 3 of South Africa last week and they've barely a snowball's chance of getting over them today.
Flem274*
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Merthens was baaaaad tonight. Noticeably more pro-aus than last season so perhaps orders from above.
Australia had an opportunity tonight. Not sure they get close next weekend with their injuries.
Fuller Pilch
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Hopefully the Saffas will destroy Wales.
Fuller Pilch
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Meanwhile the Fijian women's team beat PNG 152-0! They scored 24 tries and 15 conversions. That's the highest score ever in test rugby (men's or women's). This was a match in the 2022 Oceania Rugby Championship.
