*Official* - Road to India in South Africa - 2010-11

[Shri]

The cause for any fast bowler having bad days in the sub-continent is the pitch 99%. With the pitches being better for pace bowling in SA, he will do more good than harm if he plays.

 

[aussie]

The cause for any fast bowler having bad days in the sub-continent is the pitch 99%. With the pitches being better for pace bowling in SA, he will do more good than harm if he plays.

I would think he could still have bad days in SA given his eratic nature. You just dont know which version of him will turn up on the day. But we shall see what happens.

 

[Cricket_God]

The IND pace attack now is wayyy below the level it was circa 2006/2007 when they toured SA & ENG.

Sreesanth & RP Singh are crap now. While Sharma has been declining since the 2008 series vs AUS - fastly turning into another Pathan. Only Khan is good ATM.

So i wouldn't be expecting the IND pace attack whoever is chosen to back-up Khan to test the SA batsmen consistently like they did back in the 06/07 tour.

Do not make stupid posts in haste bro,

Look at the stats -http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/34274.html

He has the best stats for a indian fast bowler also he has 5 wickets in a match twice on subcontinent roads,Sharma has been bowling on roads for 2 years so what do you expect?
remember how australian bowlers looked ordinary after 1 series in india.

 

[aussie]

Do not make stupid posts in haste bro,

Look at the stats -http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/34274.html

He has the best stats for a indian fast bowler also he has 5 wickets in a match twice on subcontinent roads,Sharma has been bowling on roads for 2 years so what do you expect?
remember how australian bowlers looked ordinary after 1 series in india.

I'm not sure what you trying to say here. But i'll attempt to reply to best of my ability.

Firstly i not sure how that post has been made with "stupid haste". How is not not obvious that Sharma has been in clear decline sunce the 2008 home series vs AUS?. That has been fairly clear to me.

I dont think its possible for him have have taken 5 wicket hauls twice on sub-continent roads - when he has only 1 career 5 for to date.

Plus presuming you are refering the 2008 series in IND where the AUS bowlers did look ordinary (due to injuries & inexperience). How does that relate to what i said about Sharma BTW?

 

[Shri]

Excuses excuses.

 

[Uppercut]

Indian batsmen a class or two above English batsmen to be said.

The way Morkel and Steyn bowled in that particular test they wouldn't have had a hope in hell regardless.

 

[Cricket_God]

I'm not sure what you trying to say here. But i'll attempt to reply to best of my ability.

Firstly i not sure how that post has been made with "stupid haste". How is not not obvious that Sharma has been in clear decline sunce the 2008 home series vs AUS?. That has been fairly clear to me.

I dont think its possible for him have have taken 5 wicket hauls twice on sub-continent roads - when he has only 1 career 5 for to date.

Plus presuming you are refering the 2008 series in IND where the AUS bowlers did look ordinary (due to injuries & inexperience). How does that relate to what i said about Sharma BTW?

Bro,
You saying sreesanth was crap warranted the response,where has he has been good unlike rp singh you rightly mentioned,If Aussie bowlers or matter of fact any bowling side bowls on roads for 2 years running there confidence,performance are sure to get affected,

 

[Sir Alex]

Fair enough but the stats are against India playing in SA and unless Steyn loses his form, I don't see the Indian batting lineup being able to cope with the swinging ball.

That is an exxageration. It is not as if Indian batsmen are sitting ducks when it comes to swing bowling or any type of bowling for that matter. They may not score the 500s and 600s, but I beleive they have the firepower to put up a total to make a match out of it for sure.

 

[Sir Alex]

I'm not sure what you trying to say here. But i'll attempt to reply to best of my ability.

Firstly i not sure how that post has been made with "stupid haste". How is not not obvious that Sharma has been in clear decline sunce the 2008 home series vs AUS?. That has been fairly clear to me.

I dont think its possible for him have have taken 5 wicket hauls twice on sub-continent roads - when he has only 1 career 5 for to date.

Plus presuming you are refering the 2008 series in IND where the AUS bowlers did look ordinary (due to injuries & inexperience). How does that relate to what i said about Sharma BTW?

Let us give him a chance to fail on non subcontinental decks, aussie... If you're willing to consider Sehwag as a flat track bully who thrives only on subc pitches, then you'd be showing the willingness to accomodate not-so-flattering performances by a fast bowler (20yrs of age!) on such pitches also right?

Sreesanth too has the same issues. Check out his record in test matches which produced results, and which were played on roads. The difference could not be more stark.

I wish we had a fit Sree, Zak and Ishant on tour... that attack would be something that SA batsmen will have to worry about.

 

[aussie]

The way Morkel and Steyn bowled in that particular test they wouldn't have had a hope in hell regardless.

Indeed.

 

[aussie]

Bro,
You saying sreesanth was crap warranted the response,where has he has been good unlike rp singh you rightly mentioned,If Aussie bowlers or matter of fact any bowling side bowls on roads for 2 years running there confidence,performance are sure to get affected,

Well Sreesanth is crap. A bowler who is so incosistent in which you dont know whether he will bowl well on one-day or good the others - is not a good test bowler.

If a bowling attack is bowling on sub-continent for 2 years it would affect their confidence to a degree yes - especially if they dont have the skills to take wickets on those flat surfaces. But i dont see why that should be an excuse, Wasim/Waqar/Dev/Vaas did that their entire careers. The fact that Sharma cant trouble batsmen in such conditons shows he is average ATM.

When AUS toured IND 2008, Sharma actually bowled superbly on those flat surfaces getting lovely reverse-swing @ good pace. That has clearly gone in matches he has played in sub-continent since that series.

Let us give him a chance to fail on non subcontinental decks, aussie... If you're willing to consider Sehwag as a flat track bully who thrives only on subc pitches, then you'd be showing the willingness to accomodate not-so-flattering performances by a fast bowler (20yrs of age!) on such pitches also right?

Sreesanth too has the same issues. Check out his record in test matches which produced results, and which were played on roads. The difference could not be more stark.

I wish we had a fit Sree, Zak and Ishant on tour... that attack would be something that SA batsmen will have to worry about.

No i dont see the need to wait so long. Since as i said above its fairly obviosu Sharma has been in decline for the past 2 years, regardless of what conditons he has been bowling it.

Sharma vs AUS 2008 showed the skills that potential top-quality bowlers need to have when bowling on flat su-continent pitches - reverse swing. Since that series he has lost that ability.

So based on recent performances i dont see an attack Khan/Sharma/Sree being a consistent threat to the SA batsmen like the 2006/07 IND attack in bowler-friendly conditions. I see Khan if fully fit - having to carry the burden of leading the attack by himself.

 

[vcs]

The way Morkel and Steyn bowled in that particular test they wouldn't have had a hope in hell regardless.

Indeed.

And what makes you say that with such certainty? The Indian batting lineup, for all its historical fragility, has been the least likely to collapse in world cricket for a good 2-3 years now, in a variety of conditions.

 

[aussie]

And what makes you say that with such certainty? The Indian batting lineup, for all its historical fragility, has been the least likely to collapse in world cricket for a good 2-3 years now, in a variety of conditions.

Based on form of the current IND top 7, i only have total confidence in Laxman & Tendy standing up to the SA quicks consistently.

- Gambhir is a vulnerable unknown, given this will be his first real series in foreign conditions againts a testing pace-attack. Plus given how Morkel exposed some technical flaws in his game in IND earlier this year - i would think he would fancy his chances againts Gambhir in SA conditions.

- Sehwag for obvious reasons is vulnerable, everyone knows my position on him.

- Dravid is no longer "the wall he" he once was". Definately passed his peak.

The main candidates to bats @ 6 is are very vulnerable IMO. Yuvraj is a joke againts quality pace. Raina has always looked vulnerable in ODIs i've seen when he has faced good pace-bowling (short pitched bowling), which doesn't argue well for this series if he plays.

I reckon the best man to bat @ 6 is Badrinath, but i dont think IND will pick him.

- Dhoni aint too flash againts quality pace either. Very hit & miss.

 

[vcs]

Based on form of the current IND top 7, i only have total confidence in Laxman & Tendy standing up to the SA quicks consistently.

- Gambhir is a vulnerable unknown, given this will be his first real series in foreign conditions againts a testing pace-attack. Plus given how Morkel exposed some technical flaws in his game in IND earlier this year - i would think he would fancy his chances againts Gambhir in SA conditions.

- Sehwag for obvious reasons is vulnerable, everyone knows my position on him.

- Dravid is no longer "the wall he" he once was". Definately passed his peak.

The main candidates to bats @ 6 is are very vulnerable IMO. Yuvraj is a joke againts quality pace. Raina has always looked vulnerable in ODIs i've seen when he has faced good pace-bowling (short pitched bowling), which doesn't argue well for this series if he plays.

I reckon the best man to bat @ 6 is Badrinath, but i dont think IND will pick him.

- Dhoni aint too flash againts quality pace either. Very hit & miss.

Yeah well, matches are not played on paper. At best, it sounds silly and at worst, pretty arrogant to say "they wouldn't have had a hope in hell".

 

[aussie]

Yeah well, matches are not played on paper. At best, it sounds silly and at worst, pretty arrogant to say "they wouldn't have had a hope in hell".

Actually when poster Uppecut said "they wouldn't have had a hope in hell". He was refering to Sir Alex post in which he said "IND batsmen are a class above ENG". In which Sir Alex was suggesting in the 4th test @ Jo'Burg when Steyn/Morkel ran through ENG on a bouncy deck - IND batsmen would have handled them better.

Which i & poster Uppercut i think disagrees, since for anyone who saw that test, i dont believe any battle line-up in test test could have kept Steyn/Morkel out in that test.



But overall yes cricket is not played on paper, its a game of glorious uncertainties & unusual things can happen. But if one is to take the conservative approach & go on the recent form/performances of the IND top 7, it would be naive for anyone to expect them to be truly successfull in SA as a group. The safe bet is expect the SA bowlers to dominate the IND batsmen in their own conditions.

 

[Pratters]

But overall yes cricket is not played on paper, its a game of glorious uncertainties & unsuaul things can happen. But if one is to take the conservative approach & go on the recent form/performances of the IND top 7, it would be naive for anyone to expect them to be truly successfull in SA as a group. The safe bet is expect the SA bowlers to dominate the IND batsmen in their own conditions.

Yeah sure, why not. Tendulkar, Laxman, Dhoni, Sehwag are dire batsmen.

 

[aussie]

Yeah sure, why not. Tendulkar, Laxman, Dhoni, Sehwag are dire batsmen.

DEAR GOD.

Based on form of the current IND top 7, i only have total confidence in Laxman & Tendy standing up to the SA quicks consistently.

- Gambhir is a vulnerable unknown, given this will be his first real series in foreign conditions againts a testing pace-attack. Plus given how Morkel exposed some technical flaws in his game in IND earlier this year - i would think he would fancy his chances againts Gambhir in SA conditions.

- Sehwag for obvious reasons is vulnerable, everyone knows my position on him.

- Dravid is no longer "the wall he" he once was". Definately passed his peak.

The main candidates to bats @ 6 is are very vulnerable IMO. Yuvraj is a joke againts quality pace. Raina has always looked vulnerable in ODIs i've seen when he has faced good pace-bowling (short pitched bowling), which doesn't argue well for this series if he plays.

I reckon the best man to bat @ 6 is Badrinath, but i dont think IND will pick him.

- Dhoni aint too flash againts quality pace either. Very hit & miss.

Frustating posting with some on CW @ times. SMH...

 

[Uppercut]

And what makes you say that with such certainty? The Indian batting lineup, for all its historical fragility, has been the least likely to collapse in world cricket for a good 2-3 years now, in a variety of conditions.

I can only assume that you didn't watch that match live. If you had, you'd understand. You just don't score runs against bowling that good in conditions that bowler-friendly. It just doesn't happen.

 

[aussie]

I can only assume that you didn't watch that match live. If you had, you'd understand. You just don't score runs against bowling that good in conditions that bowler-friendly. It just doesn't happen.

A bit arrogant. But totally correct again.

 

[TT Boy]

Should be a great series. Interesting to see who the 3rd quick for RSA will be if Botha/Harro plays. Lopsy didn’t look like he could make the step up in the Windies, Parnell and de Wet probably won’t be back until late October at the earliest (de Wet could be finished…) and McLaren is really only an option if they abandon the spinner.