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[Jono]

Lesnar wag.

Summer Slam 2002 is one of my favourite events. Amazing match with The Rock, and the build up videos were great.

Still remember him running with a log and jumping into the ice bath.

Gun.

 

[sledger]

Cared so much about that match, at the time I didn't really understand all the backstage stuff and how wrestling worked etc... so was rooting for Rock so much, and could not believe he lost. Was stunned.

In other news

Spoiler

Santino getting a clean win over Sheamus last night, wtf is that..

 

[Manee]

Daniel Bryan vs CM Punk!

Make it happen WWE!

It is either that or Daniel Bryan joining forces with CM Punk. Punk seemed pretty positive to Bryan throughout callng the match and was acting largely like a face. Of course though, we've seen feuds start this way for years, I'm just saying it is a possibility.

Bryan Vs Ziggler was an excellent match again, would love to see them go at it in an Iron Man Match or something, to unify the titles. I honestly think those two could main event a PPV and it would draw big.

 

[Manee]

In other news

Spoiler

Santino getting a clean win over Sheamus last night, wtf is that..

Spoiler

Wasn't really a clean win. Morrison pulled Santino out of the way of the kick.

 

[sledger]

Spoiler

Wasn't really a clean win. Morrison pulled Santino out of the way of the kick.

Spoiler

Ah ok, the report I read didn't make that part clear. Still, not a great booking imo, but I guess it means we'll get Morrison v Sheamus now, which will hardly be bad.

 

[sledger]

It is either that or Daniel Bryan joining forces with CM Punk. Punk seemed pretty positive to Bryan throughout callng the match and was acting largely like a face. Of course though, we've seen feuds start this way for years, I'm just saying it is a possibility.

Bryan Vs Ziggler was an excellent match again, would love to see them go at it in an Iron Man Match or something, to unify the titles. I honestly think those two could main event a PPV and it would draw big.

Currently? Surely not, both are over, but more so with the IWC than the casual fan. Maybe in a few years.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

Reckon Jericho's like a tough pit bull to be honest. After reading his book, the guy has been able to hold his own in the Japanese strong style with bigger, stiffer opponents. Plus he took down a 265 pound Bill Goldberg backstage in a legit shoot fight. I absolutely believe Jericho would lose but think a scrappy Chris Jericho in his prime could take Brock Lesnar, granted he would lose and lose quickly.

It has been proven time and time again that guys who are merely scrappy and tough as nails get torn apart in MMA competition. Lesnar would make mincemeat of him.

 

[Athlai]

Reckon Jericho would be too smart to ever attempt to fight a guy like Lesnar. If he did Lesnar would probably be asleep when it started, and Jericho would be holding a sledge hammer.

50/50 in that scenario.

 

[Manee]

Currently? Surely not, both are over, but more so with the IWC than the casual fan. Maybe in a few years.

Maybe your right, maybe I'm being a tad two traditionalist. I just think those two have the sort of chemistry that we once saw with Bret and Michaels. t'd be good to see the Unification bout get top billing at a PPV. Those two for sixty minutes could be something rather epic, both their matches up until now have seemed like they could have gone on for far longer.

 

[masterblaster]

Maybe your right, maybe I'm being a tad two traditionalist. I just think those two have the sort of chemistry that we once saw with Bret and Michaels. t'd be good to see the Unification bout get top billing at a PPV. Those two for sixty minutes could be something rather epic, both their matches up until now have seemed like they could have gone on for far longer.

Both were over big time with the Bragging Rights crowd and the Raw crowd tonight. While they might not be able to main event yet, they are perfect for the mid card and are certainly future main eventers. Plus sledger hasn't really seen Bragging Rights or Raw yet I don't blame him for saying that. Once he does though he'll see how over both of these guys were with the crowd. They've got great chemistry in the ring though and could potentially be in a PPV main event in the future.

 

[Manee]

Some of the spots that those two pull off were brilliant and without spoiling anything major, I think that allowing Bryan to dominate a large portion of the match against Ziggler on Raw really means that WWE are giving him more and more faith by the day to have credibility despite being a small man.

 

[sledger]

Much as I like Bryan very much, and I do not doubt that his matches were top drawer with Ziggler, but no matter how over he is as a midcarder I just do not think he has the sheer presence of star quality to make it as a regular main eventer. I could see him becoming a world champion in the same way that Rey Mysterio did in an underdog type way, but for me he just doesn't have the complete package to really break into that top bracket on a long term basis. Great as he is, I doubt he will ever draw a crowd like Cena or HHH can, rightly or wrongly.

 

[GIMH]

Brock Lesnar will not be 'competing' at Wrestlemania against The Undertaker. It simply will not happen. He is under contract to the UFC, and there is no way on Earth that Dana White will allow his biggest draw to risk injury and boost PPV sales for a company they'd consider to be a rival. It's a nice rumour, but that's all it is, a rumour. Brock Lesnar is committed to MMA, and sure, he lost his last fight, but he 'aint going anywhere. I'd be utterly stunned if Brock went back to the WWE. Taker was just stirring **** with his comments at UFC 121, and I think it was a pretty douchebag thing to do. Brock had just been destroyed in the biggest fight of his career, and then he has to put up with The Undertaker talking **** to him as he walks out of the Octagon. That's not on. He went down a lot in my estimations when I saw that. He might pull out some fancy Gogoplata's on guys that are letting him do it, but I'm not sure he'd be acting like such a tough guy if he was stood at the other side of the Octagon in front of Brock Lesnar. He's an absolute legend as far as the Wrestling community goes, but seriously, that's such a ****ty thing to do to someone.

I love the way you put 'competing' and mention that guys let Taker do the hell's gate in case we didn't know wrestling was predetermined. Way cool.

As for Taker 'acting' like a tough guy (see what I did there), just LOL. You're talking about a guy who got burned on his way to the ring and just got on with a thirty minute match, a guy who broke his foot jumping into the ring and didn't even sell it. Fairly sure he wouldn't be scared of Brock...not to say he'd win in a fight, but scared? Naaaaaaaah.

Aside from the fact that there are various takes on what happened anyway and I don't buy he was being ****ty. But whatever.

Came in here to post that Raw was AWESOME btw

 

[King Pietersen]

The 'competing' and gogoplata comments were not a slant on Professional Wrestling; nor was I trying to be "cool". I was once a massive Pro Wrestling fan, so I'm not going to insult it, or fans of it. Also, I never said Taker was scared of Brock Lesnar. I'm sure he is a tough dude, I'm not doubting that. To survive 20 years at the pinnacle of Professional Wrestling is very impressive, but an actual fight with Brock Lesnar would be a whole different kettle of fish. There are tough guys in all walks of life, 'Taker is one of them; but then there's Heavyweight Champion of the UFC tough, and I assure you, The Undertaker would not be looking quite so tough after stepping into the Octagon with Brock. The whole point of my original post was that I felt making those comments to a dude in that situation was a pretty pathetic thing to do. I was not trying to insult Professional wrestling, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to get so defensive about it.

 

[masterblaster]

Much as I like Bryan very much, and I do not doubt that his matches were top drawer with Ziggler, but no matter how over he is as a midcarder I just do not think he has the sheer presence of star quality to make it as a regular main eventer. I could see him becoming a world champion in the same way that Rey Mysterio did in an underdog type way, but for me he just doesn't have the complete package to really break into that top bracket on a long term basis. Great as he is, I doubt he will ever draw a crowd like Cena or HHH can, rightly or wrongly.

People said the same thing about Chris Jericho and Eddie Guerrero in their WCW days. I think with the emphasis now being on smaller, natural physiques and a focus on good in ring work I think Bryan can make it to the main event in the future if he continues to stay healthy and perform like he is.

Plus with the rise in popularity of the UFC, I think the time when wrestling fans want realistic, competitive and technical matches is fast approaching. Bryan's also got a very natural level of charisma going for him as well. He's not a cartoon character but comes across as real and genuine which is great for him to have.

While it could be very possible that Bryan never makes it to the main event and continues to be a solid mid card performer, I think generally the best performers make it to the main event and he's one of the best right now.

 

[sledger]

People said the same thing about Chris Jericho and Eddie Guerrero in their WCW days. I think with the emphasis now being on smaller, natural physiques and a focus on good in ring work I think Bryan can make it to the main event in the future if he continues to stay healthy and perform like he is.

Plus with the rise in popularity of the UFC, I think the time when wrestling fans want realistic, competitive and technical matches is fast approaching. Bryan's also got a very natural level of charisma going for him as well. He's not a cartoon character but comes across as real and genuine which is great for him to have.

While it could be very possible that Bryan never makes it to the main event and continues to be a solid mid card performer, I think generally the best performers make it to the main event and he's one of the best right now.

In ring wrestling ability only will get you so far though, though the Miz is no slouch, it's pretty clear he isn't anywhere near as good as Bryan in terms of ring work, or at least so far as technical ability is concerned. However, the Miz just has something that Bryan does not have, and I will be surprised if he ever does, I'm not sure exactly what it is, but Miz has it, he just does.

Bryan is a credible, likeable and believable character, but for me there is just something that is not quite there for me. He is the kind of guy who the fans all like, who they all root for, and are delighted for his success, but for me I just don't care or feel as interested in him as I do in someone like John Cena.

Bryan is a fantastic guy to build a card around, but for me he lacks the charisma to really push himself to the top (not meaning to sound like Michael Cole, as I do believe Bryan has a good personality, but it's just not ME stuff for mine). The comparisons with Jericho and Eddie do bare some weight, but they had something a bit more memorable and standout about their characters. Jericho was always a loud mouth heel type and Eddie had the whole Guerrero background, and it's important to remember that both of them only ever really got truly over and to the peak of their success when they were in the WWE, and that success was built on their memorable characters and striking images with their ring work basically just complimenting that. The problem with Bryan for me, is that he is going solely on his ring work and this underdog character, which as I have said, may yet work...but I just can't see it. I'm not saying he has no charisma, his promos are by no means bad, they are good in fact, but for the most part they aren't memorable, I honestly think you could put the majority of the entire WWE roster in this sort of angle and most of them would do it with a similar amount of success (maybe anyway, give, that this angle has been pretty much written exclusively for Bryan and given his background he'll have a lot of passion for it). As such I just really do not think he is the kind of guy who can ever become a franchise player of the WWE. Would have no problem with being proved wrong...but really cannot see it. That said, a world title reign I could see happening, but as a one off rather than a regular occurance.

 

[GIMH]

The 'competing' and gogoplata comments were not a slant on Professional Wrestling; nor was I trying to be "cool". I was once a massive Pro Wrestling fan, so I'm not going to insult it, or fans of it. Also, I never said Taker was scared of Brock Lesnar. I'm sure he is a tough dude, I'm not doubting that. To survive 20 years at the pinnacle of Professional Wrestling is very impressive, but an actual fight with Brock Lesnar would be a whole different kettle of fish. There are tough guys in all walks of life, 'Taker is one of them; but then there's Heavyweight Champion of the UFC tough, and I assure you, The Undertaker would not be looking quite so tough after stepping into the Octagon with Brock. The whole point of my original post was that I felt making those comments to a dude in that situation was a pretty pathetic thing to do. I was not trying to insult Professional wrestling, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to get so defensive about it.

I get defensive because you've come in here and don't it before by calling them 'athletes' and it comes across as smarmy, IMO, even if that's not your intention.

An actual fight with Brock would be different, but then an actual fight is different to an MMA fight. Again, wrestling may not ne real, but you are still talking about a bunch of hard guys and for twenty years Taker has been revered as the toughest, in a non-kayfabe sense.

To go back to the other point though, I don't think it was pathetic because I think there is more to the picture than meets the eye. Not that necessarily means a WWE comeback. There are reasons why I think that's unlikely and because Dana White said so is fairly low down on my list, tbh.

 

[GIMH]

Bryan will get to the top. He's a better promo than Benoit was and he made it.

I don't think midcard iron matches will be happening ever though and nor do I think they should unify the titles, as I said a few weeks back£

 

[Jono]

Pretty sure Lesnar and Taker already fought guys.

YouTube - Brock Lesnar F-5's Undertaker onto Bags of Popcorn

OMG! F-5 RIGHT ONTO THE POPCORN!



He also beat him at No Mercy 2002 in a HIAC match

 

[GIMH]

Funny you mention that. A couple of guys were discussing who the best ever UFC heavyweight was, in work, a few weeks back. I said it was Brock, on the basis that none of the others have ever beaten taker inside the Cell.