Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Haha, just strolling back through the thread and came across this. How's this for a choice quote:
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*Official* Pakistan v New Zealand in the UAE 2018
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Moss
International Captain
From the comments doesn't sound like Sommerville is allrounder material. NZ could actually get more out of Southee at no.7, at this point, but CdG is a confidence player and such a selection just sends out the wrong message IMO, especially given how seriously Southee has taken his batting over the years. If CdG has a really poor second test and his efforts with the ball are not enough to compensate, then could bring in Blundell provided KW is willing to bowl his share of overs. You need a fifth bowler in these conditions
Flem274*
123/5
im not saying he will score runs in this series ftr, im saying the argument for dropping him is stupid given the sample size and the back up options.
this is a bloke who reined himself in during the final test of the summer for the team. he knows his job is to adapt to the situation rather than just yolo it.
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Chicken. Cluck cluck cluck.
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NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
CdG seems like the type of guy if he isn't performing he'll address the issue by examining how he can improve, as opposed to others currently outside the XI who just go and do the same thing over and over and don't GAF.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
The first bit is exactly the justification for the second bit. 'Doesn't look at all like scoring runs and hasn't all tour' is not a stupid argument for leaving a batsman out - it's saying 'who will likely contribute more in the next match?' and answering 'someone else'. The counter argument that you seem to be supporting is to weight more heavily the pick-and-stick approach - that incumbents have a certain amount of credit they've earned that they consume through failures, and that consistency in this approach is fair and good for team morale even if it occasionally leads to worse immediate outcomes. That's fine and I do often favour the latter. The logic only goes so far though when, with the next match in sharp focus, noone has any confidence he'll score any runs at all.
If we'd lost the first test I would've absolutely left CDG out for the second. As it stands, given the shortage of other options in the squad I would be tempted to close my eyes and just go with the same, hope it magically works out ok, that he takes a few more wickets and that we can do without any runs from him. It's pretty much a coinflip. I think the NZ selectors will indeed retain him so we'll find out soon enough.
Flem274*
123/5
i can't get behind this at all. "someone else" who can bowl (so not Blundell) averages less than 20 in test cricket with the bat and bats like a moron, or a guy who averages 12 in FC. Colin is an infinitely better batsman than both, and he provides the 5th bowler.
further, dropping someone based on the result and for the sake of finding someone else, even when there isn't someone else, is ludicrous. that's what weak teams like nz 2006-2012 do. that's how you end up like nz and england of the 90s.
colin has a job and he will get more than one test to complete his job. he will also never learn how to bat in spinning conditions if he is dropped the moment he fails in them.
there are wayyyyy better arguments you could use to justify dropping colin (not all of them arose this test but potentially could this series)
-we need more specialist batting depth, so we will pick blundell and use kanes offies more
-the conditions support spin so much we need 3 spinners, so we will include somerville
-we need more pace bowling to make breakthroughs faster and rotate boult/wagner more, we will pick southee
those are all reasonable arguments, even though they take risks with our batting or bowling depth.
lockton2skipper
U19 Debutant
So seems likely Somerville will play but who drops out ? On form contribution CDG is the obvious choice but one of the opening bowlers seem more likely , how do you separate Wagner and boult ?
There is another option , play Blundell and Somerville and leave out CDG and sodhi and bowl Kane a bit.
There is another option , play Blundell and Somerville and leave out CDG and sodhi and bowl Kane a bit.
Borges
International Regular
Yes! CdG for ever!
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Shame to lose the toss - need to keep them under 350. 3 before lunch would be great. Big game for Sodhi (hope he's not too expensive)
