**Official** Pakistan v New Zealand in the UAE 2014

[NZTailender]

I'm on the fence, personally.

I think it's great that the cricketing world is rallying to support those impacted by his death, but I also think ultimately that it sets a precedence for how we must act for all future circumstances that are similar to these and ultimately I strongly feel had this happened in say an Indian domestic match, or a South African domestic match that the way NZ has responded would not be the same.

I would hope each situation would be evaluated on it's own. I agree to some extent regarding other domestic comps, but it's all relative. I think why this is such a huge impact is because he had played international cricket, and theres a lot of players knocking around who would've played against or with Hughes at some stage. Considering that, if someone like Dhoni or Amla died playing in their respective domestic tournaments I would assume a similar response would be likely. The fact it was directly related to cricket, and not a car accident like Hollioake's, makes it seem a lot closer to home and changes the psychology of both bowlers and batsmen for a period directly after.

In all circumstances, someone famous dying should be no more important than someone 'regular' dying, but life just doesn't work that way. Grief affects us all in similar but also different ways, all at the same time, so I would hope each tragic situation like this would be considered for what it is and not how it compares to other incidents before.

 

[Athlai]

We don't even need to go as far back as Hollioake. Runako Morton died recently in an accident, but your quite right this happening in a game makes it different.

 

[Spark]

Happening in a game streamed live on the internet to the world no less. That video makes things infinitely worse (if they weren't already)

 

[Blocky]

Happening in a game streamed live on the internet to the world no less. That video makes things infinitely worse (if they weren't already)

But in this day and age, everything is streamed on the internet - a 12 yr old boy being shot by police because they mistook a toy gun to be the real item, that video was up on public news just this week.

The Samaweera incident for instance, terrorists attacking the Sri Lankan team bus and killing some support members of staff and wounding some of the playerbase, games continued around the world. Are we saying that ultimately "If it happens on a cricket wicket, then all cricket should stop?" - at which point does that include players who aren't international? That's what I mean about this setting a dangerous precedent.

Admittedly though, a complicating factor here was that the news came through literally as the teams were warming up for the second day and they had no chance to process the news in any shape or form - but had Hughes passed away say an hour into the day, would they have stopped play?

 

[the big bambino]

It's been explained to you. Time for you to shut up now

 

[Dan]

Why do we need a ****ing precedent?

 

[Blocky]

Why do we need a ****ing precedent?

Because this isn't the first death on a sports field and certainly won't be the last, do we cancel the world cup if a Bob Woolmer event happens this year? Or do we play through?

It's been explained to you. Time for you to shut up now

Piss off. The debate is pertinent and one that is being undertaken right now on Radio Sport, NZ Herald, Facebook and other discussion boards. There is no "Explanation" - it's basically "You must mourn in the way we want you to mourn". My sympathies are with him and his family, but this thread is NOT about Phil Hughes. It's about the test series which has been postponed due to the freakish accident. You won't see me raise similar dialogue in any thread related to Phil Hughes but considering there is debate presently in the Australia vs India tour on whether or not the first test should be played, talking about this isn't exactly whispering ****ing Voldemort, nor is it non topical considering the test day was abandoned and rescheduled.

 

[cnerd123]

Blocky - you do understand that literally no one in the world cares about what we discuss on these forums here, and that no matter what your views on this topic will not stop people from grieving they way they feel fit?

Do you also understand that everyone here has tried to explain to you why people are reacting the way they are, and that wheter you agree or not literally means nothing?

Because all you are doing right now is ****ting on a gesture that most of us find wonderful and heartwarming, and killing the forum atmosphere for literally 0 gain (aside from satisfying your own ego I suppose).

Bambino is right. Pick a new topic to discuss. No one wants to talk to you about this.

 

[Blocky]

Blocky - you do understand that literally no one in the world cares about what we discuss on these forums here, and that no matter what your views on this topic will not stop people from grieving they way they feel fit?

Do you also understand that everyone here has tried to explain to you why people are reacting the way they are, and that wheter you agree or not literally means nothing?

Because all you are doing right now is ****ting on a gesture that most of us find wonderful and heartwarming, and killing the forum atmosphere for literally 0 gain (aside from satisfying your own ego I suppose).

Bambino is right. Pick a new topic to discuss. No one wants to talk to you about this.

If you don't want to discuss it, don't discuss it - don't tell me what I can and can't think about and post about, considering others were also engaging in the conversation and bringing up incidents like Holioake and Blair, it's obvious that other people share a sentiment with me that although this is tragic, other tragic circumstances have occured without games being cancelled.

The whole "I don't want to talk about it" does not mean "no one" - you need to start realising that the major reason you have an issue with me is that you believe wrongly that you have more right to be here than I do. You are not everyone. Nor is Dan, nor is Bambino.

 

[the big bambino]

That's right Blocky. People react according to their feelings which are honest if not consistent. They aren't governed by QA processes. Should they have suspended play in the UAE test? Yes if they felt they should. Neither would they been in the wrong if they didn't. They acted upon their feelings not an imperative.

Yes others have mentioned the different reactions to others tragically killed. But they, unlike you, have moved on.

 

[cnerd123]

Leave it Bambino. He's right about one thing - if we don't want to discuss it, we shouldn't engage.

 

[Blocky]

That's right Blocky. People react according to their feelings which are honest if not consistent. They aren't governed by QA processes. Should they have suspended play in the UAE test? Yes if they felt they should. Neither would they been in the wrong if they didn't. They acted upon their feelings not an imperative.

Yes others have mentioned the different reactions to others tragically killed. But they, unlike you, have moved on.

They haven't moved on - the top two posts on this page were discussing the incident - both of those people aren't "Blocky" - again, stop telling others how they should think and post.

 

[Blocky]

And this is where you guys call me a troll, because you repeatedly come into threads where discussions are taking place, get your knickers in a twist, make some comment about me continuing on with **** and repeatedly continue to make comments while getting more and more wound up by the fact that I refuse to let you tell me how to post.

It's a REAL simple thing - if you don't want to see me post responses, stop giving me something to respond to. I'm more than entitled to make a post, I'm more than entitled to respond to posts. If that bothers you, ignore me. If you can't do that, blame yourself.

 

[Jono]

You can disagree with the postponement. But how can you actually be so strongly against it to the point you keep bringing it up? Surely its something you just accept, understand why it has happened and move on?

 

[Jono]

And not just you Blocky, why is it being debated on radio? Its not the type of issue where we need a pro and con for surely?

 

[Blocky]

And not just you Blocky, why is it being debated on radio? Its not the type of issue where we need a pro and con for surely?

The debate on radio covers a number of weird areas, like "they're professional cricketers, why are they allowed a day off?" and "they didn't even play with the guy" - despite it being reiterated that a lot of the NZ guys had known Hughes through age group stuff as well as having played against him before.

The debate here was practically over, until people started telling me how I should/shouldn't post - which I'll always rail against.

You can disagree with the postponement. But how can you actually be so strongly against it to the point you keep bringing it up? Surely its something you just accept, understand why it has happened and move on?

It's more so the wider discussion - topically in NZ another thing being mentioned is that a mother was stabbed to death by her partner in a public place near a school, but that received less press coverage than the Hughes incident - which brought up the whole morality/value of life situation.

At this point, the discussion had moved on to other incidences of this - but in three hours when play starts, it'll go back to being about the cricket I'm sure, with various fellas coming in here pretending to be trolled, solely so they can all attempt reporting me to the moderators for being "negative" on the forum.

 

[BackFootPunch]

Blocky is like a ****ing dog with a bone. A lot of people have commented that Hughes' death has put things in perspective, now I can add this to that list.

I used to get angry reading Blocky's **** posts. They offended me. But this stuff is just sad. I genuinely feel bad for you, mate. Like what the **** are you doing? We're all grieving the death of one of the most talented young cricketers many of us have ever seen and all you want to do is beat your drum about how we all come in here thinking you're trolling and complaining to mods. It's not all about you, you enormous ****. Most of us have no desire to hear you opinion, and we sure as **** don't wanna have you tell us how to feel.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

And not just you Blocky, why is it being debated on radio? Its not the type of issue where we need a pro and con for surely?

NZ sports media is atrocious.

 

[cnerd123]

Expect to be infracted for that BFP; while Blocky continues to get off scot free.

 

[Spark]

I think, regardless of the merits or legitimacy of the topic from any angle, it'd be best for everyone if we dropped it completely. At least until emotions aren't running so high.