***Official*** Pakistan in New Zealand - T20/ODI series - Jan 2016

[Hurricane]

Just glancing further down your list Athlai. Some of my analysis is based on watching Michael Clarke faff about in particular and I note his career SR is only 103.

 

[NZTailender]

It's also a question of the risk that players will take throughout the innings. Slogging every ball just doesn't work. Kane and Guptill showed Afridi a lot of respect early on because he was getting some nice drift. Guptill then smashed him towards the end of the game because the platform had been set, the risk was worth it and he was more prepared to take him on. They also looked to target the short boundary and pick off the easier singles on the long.

T20 is a game where you need to play every ball but the Munro headless chicken school of smash everything is not for everyone, and even for Munro it's still super unreliable.

I honestly can't think of any gun t20 bat that smashes at a SR of 150 throughout their innings every innings. Even Gayle will build his innings.

Afridi? Averages 18

But a team of Afridis will score or chase down 180 in 20 overs, everytime.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

this just in - higher strike rates are better

 

[Hurricane]

this just in - higher strike rates are better

Haha

Laugh all you want but it is helpful what we have landed on. Mitchell's Santner's provincial T20 SR is 98. That tells you to push him way down the order for the black caps. Or like I said, unless he can keep replicating his bowling form from Eden Park, drop him for another spinner who can offer more with the bat.

 

[Athlai]

I mean. Santa hasn't even faced 100 balls in T20 yet, I wouldn't abandon all hope just yet. The blokes at 9 innings total.

Remove his 2 international innings and his SR is 108.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

I think the idea of keeping Santa in the T20 side is more about giving him as much time around the blackcaps setup and in international cricket as possible to maximise his development as a player than saying he's our best T20 option at this exact point in time.

 

[Athlai]

I think the idea of keeping Santa in the T20 side is more about giving him as much time around the blackcaps setup and in international cricket as possible to maximise his development as a player than saying he's our best T20 option at this exact point in time.

I earnestly think Santa is our best spin option not named Jeetan Patel right now. And I think the lack of domestic wickets isn't being held against him and he's in the team on his talent.

...and his ability to bat.

 

[Hurricane]

I earnestly think Santa is our best spin option not named Jeetan Patel right now. And I think the lack of domestic wickets isn't being held against him and he's in the team on his talent.

...and his ability to bat.

At the age of 23 years old he thinks more like a bowler than a batsman. He has the demeanour and mental outlook of a bowler. We will not see much from him with the bat for another 12 months unless he just "has his day" when the sun smiles on him. If he is to stick with the team then I would say his bowling will be his meal ticket for the time being.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

nah Hira would hack out better performances. He knows T20. Santa has more ceiling but hasn't played a whole lot in the format.

 

[kiwiviktor81]

At the age of 23 years old he thinks more like a bowler than a batsman. He has the demeanour and mental outlook of a bowler. We will not see much from him with the bat for another 12 months unless he just "has his day" when the sun smiles on him. If he is to stick with the team then I would say his bowling will be his meal ticket for the time being.

That's the exact opposite of what I think of Santner. It will be fun to see who is right.

 

[Hurricane]

That's the exact opposite of what I think of Santner. It will be fun to see who is right.

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I have retired recently from cricket. When I did play batting was a year round experience for me. When walking to the store I would commentate on Myself scoring a fifty. I constantly not visualised it but played audio files in my head about it and felt the pride over and over again of scoring a big knock.
When cricket season started it helped my game as soon as I made it to 20 runs my whole mind expected me to me make fifty and I often would ( if I could get a start) somehow my bat knows the way to the finish line.

Santner isn't hungry for runs and his body and essence doesn't know how to get big scores. It is clear to me he doesn't visualise batting or stew on it in his waking hours. Ross thinks about batting 24 by 7

However when I see him bowl he is engaged. He seems more into it and he reacts emotionally with himself when he bowls a bad ball. He often castigates himself. He is learning about international bowling every time he goes out there.

I think from a batting point of view he would be better off in fc where he would get better chances and he would hopefully learn to bat time. Because he definitely can't bat time at the moment. Both of his dismissals in Adelaide were impetuous.

 

[NZTailender]

He's still barely had a career at domestic level. I'm sure his batting will develop similar in the way to how Steve Smith developed (I mean, not as good but timewise) as he plays more. Some time out of the Test side and playing domestic with more batting responsibility similar to how Smith went would be ideal.

 

[kiwiviktor81]

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DWTA, but good post. Clearly we're judging Santner on different criteria. You seem to be looking at his mental side, as you often do.

I haven't done that. I'm still looking at Santner technically. Bowling-wise, he seems very stiff to me and I think this is why he drops so many balls short. This stiffness seems unnatural to me.

Batting-wise, I don't see any of that tension. He seems very smooth with the bat, compact technique (rare for a tall fella) and hits it often out of the middle. He hits a long ball for a skinny dude and that's down to an excellent eye and timing.

Santner hasn't shown an ability to bat time, agreed. But he hasn't had an opportunity imo.

My long-term prediction is that he will bat 5 for the BCs and bowl part-time but more than KW.

 

[thierry henry]

So I'm having a cheeky Nando's for lunch yesterday and who do I see also having a cheeky Nando's? None other than Waqar Younis.

One of my absolute heroes, would've loved to get a photo or something but he was with his wife and kids so I left him alone.

Stay tuned for more episodes of "TH seeing cricketers in Auckland cos Auckland is small"

 

[Athlai]

Wheres his height? Give the people what they want

 

[smash84]

Wheres his height? Give the people what they want

wasn't he quite short? Maybe 5'9 or 5'10?

 

[thierry henry]

I was seated eating my meal so even though he was quite close to me, I couldn't in good conscience give you a firm estimate. I'd guess 5'10"-5'11". Looked about my height. About my size in general really, he's a biggish guy, pretty thickset and he's carrying a gut on him these days,

EDIT (because this is important)- Having briefly perused some further evidence I think Waqar may well actually be a good 6 foot as listed, and a pretty well-built guy with it. He is noticeably taller than Mohammed Amir who is laughably listed at 6'2" btw.

 

[Athlai]

Google says he is 6 foot. Google wouldn't be lying to me.

 

[smash84]

I was seated eating my meal so even though he was quite close to me, I couldn't in good conscience give you a firm estimate. I'd guess 5'10"-5'11". Looked about my height. About my size in general really, he's a biggish guy, pretty thickset and he's carrying a gut on him these days,

EDIT (because this is important)- Having briefly perused some further evidence I think Waqar may well actually be a good 6 foot as listed, and a pretty well-built guy with it. He is noticeably taller than Mohammed Amir who is laughably listed at 6'2" btw.

yeah Waqar carries around a gut these days. Clearly the fitness regime doesn't apply to coaches

 

[hendrix]

TH seeing cricketers in Auckland cos Auckland is small"

Dunedin is probably the best place in the world for you to be, Thierry. Frequently saw Wasim, Sanga, Mathews, the whole Afghanistan team, all of the NZ team, just walking around.

There's like 1 mall, 2 supermarkets and 3 gyms, and all the nightclubs and hotels are pretty much on the same street.

Move there and invest in some measuring tape.