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*** Official *** Pakistan in India

jeevan

International 12th Man
As a matter of fact, I made that very point yesterday in my post in this thread. :)


Anyways, well played Pakistan... The real men of the match have been Akmal and Misbah and it was quite an amazing fightback and a wonderful display of character from both these men under real pressure... Now I think they will be the ones who willl go into Bangalore with their tail up... Gul and Asif, if they do comeback, will add enormous amouts to their bowling attack. I bet them to do well there, even if they can't win.


India had their chances in this game and they blew them... Catches were dropped at crucial times and except the one that came at DK today, none of them can actually be called very tough... The one to Sachin was tough but one that you expect to be held at this level.... Munaf and Dravid put down very simple chances, relatively speaking and in the end the number of balls it cost us and the runs... it proved to be the difference.. And again, our batting has come a cropper a number of times at Bangalore... Let us see if it can be any different this time... But I think a 1-1 result is very much on the cards, although I do hope it doesn't happen.....

Given that Munaf has not been too effective (though in first innings he had Misbah as plumb as plumb can be, so got two wickets actually) , and that Indian spinners have done well in Bangalore, and that Indian top & middle order traditionally fragile in Bngalore - worth playing Irfan.

If Zaheer's limp is serious (should preserve him for Australia tour), probably two spots open for Pathan.

edit: batting traditionally fragile in Bangalore, not generally. 4 losses in last 5 tests!
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Given that Munaf has not been too effective (though in first innings he had Misbah as plumb as plumb can be, so got two wickets actually) , and that Indian spinners have done well in Bangalore, and that Indian top & middle order fragile - worth playing Irfan.

If Zaheer's limp is serious (should preserve him for Australia tour), probably two spots open for Pathan.
Actually, I won't mind seeing Pathan and RP being our two bowlers.... Won't be the best attack and will be rather 1 dimensional but given the Munaf has been bowling, it seems our only other option. :(


I think they may drop Karthik, although I hope they won't.
 

jeevan

International 12th Man
Actually, I won't mind seeing Pathan and RP being our two bowlers.... Won't be the best attack and will be rather 1 dimensional but given the Munaf has been bowling, it seems our only other option. :(


I think they may drop Karthik, although I hope they won't.
Hoping for Zaheer & Pathan. Pathan might have tried more off-cutters in Kolkata, and possibly been more succesful. But also the factor that a batting tail of Pathan,Kumble,Harbhajan, Zaheer is probably the best we can put on the field.

Check Bangalore test stats to see how much India has needed the bowlers to chip in with the bat. On the bowling side - Kumble orr/and Harbhajan have usually done the heavy lifting in Bangalore and they're probably going to be in the squad. No reason to believe that any of the current Indian pace bowlers will do better than before.
 

Raghav

International Vice-Captain
Good innings by Younis in pressure to lead Pakistan to a draw but I really want Pakistan to win the next test to draw the series 1-1.
I am also expecting the same thing. I expected a lot from the Pak team in this tour. But most of them did not perform up to their levels. But its good to see shoaib bowling well in patches. Pakistan team would have won ODI series more easily than the test series. They should curse themselves.

I expect Pak to turn the tables in the last test.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Good draw by Pakistan but the more India make pitches like that, the less favours they are doing for themselves.

Didn't get to see any of day 5 but Younis would have played a gutsy knock.

On to Bangalore. Drop Munaf.
 

biased indian

International Coach
And take whom ....

at the start of the game there was a tlk of playing 3 spinners with ganguly opning the bowling..i hope they dont do that with austrlian series coming up

dont have too many chnages and pls play karthick..dont make yuvraj open for the sake of having him in the team
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
RP Singh.

He was on the field as sub fielder during the test suggesting he's getting close to full fitness, and Munaf has only taken he and Sree's spot because they were both injured.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Good draw by Pakistan but the more India make pitches like that, the less favours they are doing for themselves.

On to Bangalore. Drop Munaf.
I agree. I went for the last session on Day 3 and it was such an easy pitch to bat on. I remarked to my friend how any team losing 20 wickets on this pitch would have played very badly. It was a flat belter of a track.

On Munaf, I am a huge supporter of his but there is no point playing him if he is out of sorts. Trying Pathan would be a much better option. It would mean that we would get an idea on whether Pathan could be an option for Australia as well. If RP is fit though, obviously RP should be selected ahead of Pathan. I wonder why Munaf was selected at all for the second test - I wonder if it was him having just a bad game or not being 100% fit.
 

jeevan

International 12th Man
Worse situation for India in test 3 than Pakistan in test 2:

All 4 first choice seamers (Zaheer, RP, Sree, Munaf) are injured and out of squad.
Sreesanth out even of the entire Australia series. So pace bowling squad consists
of Pathan, VRV, Ishant. (Imagine what we'd do without Ganguly!).

If there was a time and place in this century to field 3 spinners in a bowling attack
of 4, this would be it. Bangalore is a venue that India have opened bowling with
Ganguly and with Kumble (Srinath on other end on those occasions, >>> Pathan).

If not, would have to select between VRV and Ishant. One advantage of that is it will
provide a chance for one of them to bowl out of their skin and get on the plane to
Australia.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Good draw by Pakistan but the more India make pitches like that, the less favours they are doing for themselves.
I think you should always play to your strengths, but I agree that a pitch should offer something for at least one type of bowler (swing, bounce, pace, or turn).
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
I think you should always play to your strengths, but I agree that a pitch should offer something for at least one type of bowler (swing, bounce, pace, or turn).
This pitch didn't play to India's strengths. If it did, they would have won the test.

Anyway, what is the actual story with all these apparent pace bowler injuries?

Sree is out for a while I know that, but since when is Zaheer, Munaf and RP injured/still injured?

(I missed the last day's play)
 

hemantoocool

Cricket Spectator
i don't know why injured player are taken in team ??
we all see zaheer fighting with his injury in both the innings ..
this is not a sign of professionalism...
if india is to reach on top then these things should be noticed...
 

funnygirl

State Regular
I want a sportive pitch rather than one we had at Calcutta .If we keep a dust bowl for the next test ,the move can be backfired .It happened in 2005.
 

funnygirl

State Regular
Now that India is going to take the new ball with Ganguly :blink:

India's bowling reminds me of that golden era where Madan lal and Mohinder Amarnath used to open.

Good news is that pitch is going to be bouncy .Well done . Play positive cricket .I really liked it ,no matter what the result will be .Had enough of dust bowls .
 
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Raghav

International Vice-Captain
You can shout from the rooftops, you can sing it as a lullaby; you can print it in a textbook or say it quietly in an inconsequential piece like this one.

But nobody will listen to the oldest truth of this game. Good pitches produce good cricket, bad pitches produce bad cricket.

A fifth- day pitch that is as sleepy as a backbencher in a civics class is a bad pitch.

And so we have had a bad Test match.

Maybe we should ask Shahrukh to make a film about it, maybe we should get a Kareena Kapoor or a Priyanka Chopra to enact a raunchy number about it and maybe then, somebody will emerge from the shatteringly important issue of writing columns to listen.


I find the Vengsarkar issue trivial and unnecessary. The playing of cricket is getting increasingly marginalised from the cricket world. And so we continue to send out the wrong signals. We don't have to worry about a coach, about a permanent manager, about a cricket calendar, about unhappy captains, about systems for selectors to work within. Or about pitches and bright cricket.

In three weeks India play a Test match in Melbourne on what is bound to be a fresh, bouncy pitch. India will need three seamers in the playing eleven. Today, India cannot find two to pick in the first fifteen.

Let's cast our minds elsewhere then.

Two great Sri Lankans have been in the news. One is the proud, rightful owner of a world record that may well stand for decades, if not in perpetuity; the other has, interestingly, gone against the trend and retired from Test cricket to focus on oneday cricket. Those are happier tales; of humble men who achieved big things, of the men who make watching sport a worthwhile activity.

Murali is a fine man who has achieved success in all conditions. Ignore that record in Australia, for there is a chink in every man's armour. Warne struggled in India, Tendulkar's record against South Africa isn't as awesome as everything else he has done and Botham never came to terms with playing against the West Indies. If Murali's action was the only thing that contributed to his success surely there should have been ten other Muralis by now. He has done what any man could have, he has made his point and if batsmen still can't pick him, let's acknowledge his genius for that is what it is. A simple man has performed brave deeds and the modern holy trinity of Warne, Murali and Kumble have made spin bowling eminently watchable. Let's raise a toast to that.

And to that other humble destroyer, Sanath Jayasuriya. Batting in Test cricket is a more difficult profession than it is in one-day cricket and he has acknowledged that. His departure from Test cricket was imminent; runs were hard to come by, he was probably counting the singles when he might have missed a couple of boundaries in his prime, and the voice from within had spoken. But interestingly, unlike many others who give up one-day cricket to concentrate on the longer version, he has gone the other way and it makes so much sense. He still bats with freedom in the one-day game, is still Sri Lanka's talisman cricketer even if the ball doesn't quite obey the bowling arm every time and has set a precedent that some others might do well to follow.

And even though he is now scoring runs in both Tests and one-dayers, I can well imagine that when the time comes for Tendulkar to choose, staying on in oneday cricket might be the better option.


Maybe the young men and women in office backrooms, putting famous names onto their modest efforts need to be a little more creative. Maybe they need to give their cricket stars a point of view.
 
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