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*Official* Pakistan in England 2020

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Credit for that decision; Stokes being unable to operate as a full time part of the attack doesn't mean he shouldn't bowl at all. But the other criticisms about over-bowling Bess are still valid, of course.
Honestly though you would think from this thread that Pakistan were 300 for 1 or something.
 

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Given the bunnies in Pakistan's lower order, England need to push to close the deal before the lead crosses 250. TBH, Pakistan would probably be betting favourites even if the last 3 went down without adding anything. But it does make it a bit interesting.
 

Tom Flint

International Regular
Anyone saying this game is buried are so wrong, stokes got 0 in the first knock, 237 is nothing if we can build one or 2 partnerships
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Re: Bess it's the third day on a track which is clearly turning and bouncing. Given that we criticised him a few weeks ago for underbowling Bess in a not-dissimilar situation, you can surely understand him bowling 10-odd overs here. It's ultimately on Bess to not bowl as crap as he did this evening.
The criticism was for not recognising that Bess wasn't bowling nearly well enough to justify keeping him on, this situation couldn't afford him to keep bleeding runs at the rate he was, and that we had guys not being used who would maybe ask more questions of the batsmen. No idea about the previous conversation I'm afraid. But the fact that Stokes and broad have quickly removed both batsmen suggests that people may have had a point.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Honestly though you would think from this thread that Pakistan were 300 for 1 or something.
Really? I suppose it's all about opinions. But the criticisms of Root were actually about him not grabbing the situation when we had them 4 down for not many in a situation when we needed to bowl them out for something ridiculously low to stay in the game.
 

Arachnodouche

International Captain
Lmao this thread is being ridiculous. Root puts on a bowler known for being a wicket-taker, he takes a crucial wicket immediately and this is... evidence that he's a bad captain somehow?
There's a greater context here though, isn't there? Root bowls his bowlers into the ground, Root mishandles his bowling rotations all the time, Stokes is reportedly playing as a specialist batsman on account of which they're playing a batsman short. That he's forced to bring on his lucky charm because he's boxed himself into a corner, that it actually pays off, does not absolve him of tactical mistakes.
 

Raffski

School Boy/Girl Captain
Bess hasn't been terrible and his stats would look much better had we picked a decent keeper but you have to think his batting this summer has kept him in the side.
Yeah quite possibly. I don’t mind Bess, he’s very young for a spinner and there’s definitely something to work with there. But Leach is our best spinner and if he’s healthy he should play, IMO.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
Mikey Holding trying to pretend that the Broad not out and the previous wicket are the same is farcical. He is really old man at clouds with DRS. The wicket was a good 2 inches lower on ball tracking.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
There's a greater context here though, isn't there? Root bowls his bowlers into the ground, Root mishandles his bowling rotations all the time, Stokes is reportedly playing as a specialist batsman on account of which they're playing a batsman short. That he's forced to bring on his lucky charm because he's boxed himself into a corner, moreover that it actually pays off, does not absolve him of tactical mistakes.
You think Root's captaincy is why England is in this position? Seriously, come on. This is absurd. I don't like Root's captaincy as a rule but this is just egging a narrative for narrative's sake.

Mikey Holding trying to pretend that the Broad not out and the previous wicket are the same is farcical. He is really old man at clouds with DRS. The wicket was a good 2 inches lower on ball tracking.
That's not really germane to his point though is it?
 

91Jmay

International Coach
You think Root's captaincy is why England is in this position? Seriously, come on. This is absurd. I don't like Root's captaincy as a rule but this is just egging a narrative for narrative's sake.



That's not really germane to his point though is it?
Pretending all umpires calls are the same is his point and it's idiotic
 

91Jmay

International Coach
But you have to treat them all the same, that's his whole point.

I think the threshold for umpire's call vs out should be moved up though
Yes and treating them all the same is stupid, the previous wicket was far closer to being out then the Broad one he verbatim claimed was exactly the same.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Yes and treating them all the same is stupid, the previous wicket was far closer to being out then the Broad one he verbatim claimed was exactly the same.
In the eyes of the system it is the same though. There's absolutely no way the umpire thought "ah I think that's hitting one inch above the bails vs one inch below, I'll give that not out" so the marginal difference on the projection is immaterial, because the projection only really serves to put things in one of three boxes labelled "out", "not out" and "umpire's call". I happen to think he's probably correct that ultra-marginal umpire's call decisions should be not out but the "line" for umpire's call should be moved to the top of the bails, so the one just now would have been three reds anyway.
 

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