*Official* Pakistan in England 2010

[BoyBrumby]

Now I'm confused. I wasn't saying don't dump Cook, I was saying if you're dumping Cook, and have the choice between Carberry and Lyth, and those latter two are in similar form, but one has ten years of FC experience and the other doesn't, go for the more experienced candidate rather than the young tyro. Have I failed to grasp that Lyth and Cook are the same person or something?

My mistake; I thought you were commenting on Carberry &/or Lyth replacing Cook and not comparing and contrasting the two.

Not altogether sure I agree tho, now I've garnered your gist. There's an argument that one should opt for youth as a tiebreaker. More potential runs down the line as reward for the early investment, etc.

 

[taipan1]

Seriously don't get this argument.

The English batting line up is more or less settled.

1 Strauss
2
3 Trott
4 KP
5 Collingwood
6 Bell
7 Prior.

Why disrupt it? If English cricket can't find another opener it is in worse state than I thought.

Of course it only leaves space for 4 bowlers as England don't have a half decent allrounder. But then again they ahhave had that problem for years.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Seriously don't get this argument.

The English batting line up is more or less settled.

1 Strauss
2
3 Trott
4 KP
5 Collingwood
6 Bell
7 Prior.

Why disrupt it? If English cricket can't find another opener it is in worse state than I thought.

Of course it only leaves space for 4 bowlers as England don't have a half decent allrounder. But then again they ahhave had that problem for years.

TBF Morgan did hold his hand up with a ton in this most trying of circumstances against a first rate attack, so he's worthy of consideration as a viable top six option for my money.

 

[four_or_six]

Seriously don't get this argument.

The English batting line up is more or less settled.

1 Strauss
2
3 Trott
4 KP
5 Collingwood
6 Bell
7 Prior.

Why disrupt it? If English cricket can't find another opener it is in worse state than I thought.

Of course it only leaves space for 4 bowlers as England don't have a half decent allrounder. But then again they ahhave had that problem for years.

I'm not sure we have such a strong need for an all-rounder these days now we have Swann who can bowl a lot more overs (and more successfully) than someone like Giles.

 

[taipan1]

I'm not sure we have such a strong need for an all-rounder these days now we have Swann who can bowl a lot more overs (and more successfully) than someone like Giles.

Yeah, but you still have to take 20 wickets to win a test. If you get caught on a road in Aus you are going to burn out your 2 front line seamers.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Who'll come in for Gul, btw? Out for the rest of the test series now with his hammy.

 

[four_or_six]

Yeah, but you still have to take 20 wickets to win a test. If you get caught on a road in Aus you are going to burn out your 2 front line seamers.

Possibly, but Colly, Trott and KP can bowl a bit to give the others a rest.

 

[vcs]

Actually for all this talk of "allrounders adding balance to a team" they often mess up the team balance if they aren't quite delivering and not worthy of an automatic pick based on one discipline alone.. see Irfan Pathan for India and there was a school of thought that felt Flintoff's automatic inclusion was hurting England's balance.

 

[nightprowler10]

Who'll come in for Gul, btw? Out for the rest of the test series now with his hammy.

Riaz I believe.

 

[taipan1]

Actually for all this talk of "allrounders adding balance to a team" they often mess up the team balance if they aren't quite delivering and not worthy of an automatic pick based on one discipline alone.. see Irfan Pathan for India and there was a school of thought that felt Flintoff's automatic inclusion was hurting England's balance.

Exactly my point. England won the 2005 with a 4 man seam attack backed up by Giles. The problem was that Flintoff wasn't good enough to bat at 6, so you had the messing around with the keeper at 6.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Riaz I believe.

Cheers. Not familiar with his work, tbh. Looking at the current squad he's the only spare seamer tho so it must be him unless someone else is called up.

 

[marc71178]

Sad enough to check: Bell @ #3 - 1006 runs @ 31.44
Cook v Oz - 498 @ 26.21

407 @ 33.91 vs Aus as well.

 

[Uppercut]

Actually for all this talk of "allrounders adding balance to a team" they often mess up the team balance if they aren't quite delivering and not worthy of an automatic pick based on one discipline alone.. see Irfan Pathan for India and there was a school of thought that felt Flintoff's automatic inclusion was hurting England's balance.

He certainly messed up their balance. He just happened to be good enough to improve the side anyway.

 

[Uppercut]

TBF Morgan did hold his hand up with a ton in this most trying of circumstances against a first rate attack, so he's worthy of consideration as a viable top six option for my money.

How useful will this be when playing against Australia though?

 

[Stapel]

Seriously don't get this argument.

The English batting line up is more or less settled.

1 Strauss
2
3 Trott
4 KP
5 Collingwood
6 Bell
7 Prior.

Why disrupt it? If English cricket can't find another opener it is in worse state than I thought.

Of course it only leaves space for 4 bowlers as England don't have a half decent allrounder. But then again they ahhave had that problem for years.

1 Strauss
2 Trott
3 KP
4 Collingwood
5 Bell
6 Morgan
7 Prior

 

[social]

1 Strauss
2 Trott
3 KP
4 Collingwood
5 Bell
6 Morgan
7 Prior

= massive win to Australia

Trott isnt an opener

KP wont bat 3 willingly

Collingwood is not a no. 4

Bell is a walking wicket against Oz

Morgan is unproven and probably not much good anyway

 

[NasserFan207]

Morgan's already proven himself against a much better attack than Australia's.

 

[Jarquis]

Collingwood batting 4 is barely a problem IMO. The fact it involves KP at 3 and Trott opening are the bigger worries.

 

[Manee]

Cheers. Not familiar with his work, tbh. Looking at the current squad he's the only spare seamer tho so it must be him unless someone else is called up.

There is also Tanvir Ahmed who is a medium pacer coming off a strong domestic season. Riaz has some pace and obviously the left armer thing, going in his favour.

Here are some clips of Riaz...

YouTube - ‪Wahab Riaz bowling against Bangladesh‬‎
YouTube - ‪Wahab Riaz Debut Against Zimbabve‬‎

 

[Pothas]

TBF Morgan did hold his hand up with a ton in this most trying of circumstances against a first rate attack, so he's worthy of consideration as a viable top six option for my money.

Yeah it was a very fine innings and has certainly put himself in contention but I think we should wait until the end of the series. If he gets another big score then he should seriously be considered, if not then Bell to come back in for him. Would hope he will be the long term replacement for Collingwood, would not imagine he has too many years left in him.

Will admit to being biased but would go Carberry over Lyth or Trott oppening if Cook is dumped, think Australian conditions would suit him as well.

Trott is starting to convince me as a test match number three, and if he is the solution to that long standing problem I would not want to be moving him around.