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*Official* Pakistan in England 2010

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
Must say... i was supportive of the idea of Ajmal instead of Kaneria..had it not been for Ajmal...we would be looking at another huge drubbing...but now he has given another chance to Pak batsmen....
You know the good thing is for once there is someone else who is taking wickets and can bowl the bulk of the overs without going 5 an over. Takes a lot of pressure and work load off Aamer and Asif

This may be controversial but i really hope we take Irfan Pathan to England when we tour next and to south Africa too.
He would be brillant in those conditions like he was MOM in Perth with swing and bounce there.He could be a very good horses for courses type of bowler though he is absolutely useless when there is no swing.
Thank you for bringing this up. I do not know why Irfan Pathan has lost favour. Surely he cannot be worse than Mithun they are playing now? He won India a test match in Perth.



Pakistani Batting and fielding is probably worse than Bangladesh at the moment.Horrific.
Not probably.It is. Tamim Iqbal fought really well against the same attack 2 months ago
 

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Asif ,Aamer and Ishant/Sree would be my attack.

Gul is often inured too like Zaheer and i am not sure about him on Indian sort of conditions.

Even RP was pretty good in the English conditions.
This may be controversial but i really hope we take Irfan Pathan to England when we tour next and to south Africa too.
He would be brillant in those conditions like he was MOM in Perth with swing and bounce there.He could be a very good horses for courses type of bowler though he is absolutely useless when there is no swing.
Agree, not too sure about SA though.
 

Rant0r

International 12th Man
Just to backtrack a little, why the hell did "slowfinger" think that Yasir Hameed would be able to bat ?
 

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
To all the fans...please pray for Umar Gul....we have lost a Great Batsman to the hamstring injury....

Thanks,
 

Rant0r

International 12th Man
To all the fans...please pray for Umar Gul....we have lost a Great Batsman to the hamstring injury....

Thanks,
HAHAHA

They seemed to dispense with Misbah-ul-haq very quickly, he had a bit of steel about him and could play a few shots, clearly limited and not the best going around, but the alternatives ?
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
^ Actually he has failed pretty consistently over the last one year
Sri Lanka tour 3 test matches - fail
New Zealand tour - 3 test matches - fail
Australia tour - 3 test matches - fail

He was dropped for a reason. Only thing is...there are others like Mallik and Farhat who have been bigger failures but they still hang on to their place because of nepotism.



Anyway, going back to Ajmal, one good thing to come out of this I hope would be the back of Kaneria for good. I hope Ajmal remains consistent so we dont have to see that poor spinner in our side again
 

Rant0r

International 12th Man
He did play one good innings in Australia, but after a couple of failures they dumped him pretty quickly, and he's not as cancerous as Yousuf and Malik. Like you say, they seem to persist with others. Options must be pretty thin in Pakistan at the moment and not playing home tests probably doesn't help. Blokes like Azhar and Amin look like they could be good test cricketers, but they have been thrown in, in foreign conditions and for the most part haven't really gone on with it. And they don't have great value of experience and leadership around them.

I'd really like to see Ajmal throw it up a lot more, when he did, he turned and bounced his offbreak sharply, and nearly clean bowled Pietersen, I don't think he took a wicket with his offbreak at all
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
See I think Azhar Ali can be useful if he comes after Younis Khan and Mohammad Yousuf at 180/3.

Problem is, a number 3 batsman for Pakistan is simply a third opener and he does not have the technique or experience to come in at 5/1 against the swinging new ball and a fired up James Anderson
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
This is not meant to be a ****ty comment, but I find it curious that Pakistan as a country that currently, and historically, produces such good fast bowlers has such a poor record of producing good opening batsmen. Typically a country's batting strengths at Test level, in very broad terms, tend to reflect the kinds of techniques necessary to prosper against the bowling that is prevalent within their domestic scene - English batsmen have traditionally had proper techniques to deal with fast bowling in helpful conditions, Australian batsmen have been used to fast pitches and bounce, Indian and Sri Lankan batsmen have been good against spin. Very broad rules, but often true. It's odd that, really since Anwar and Sohail, the Pakistan team has lacked a convincing opener.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
To be fair you could probably count on your fingers the number of batsmen who do have the technique and experience to play Anderson in such good swing conditions.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
To be fair you could probably count on your fingers the number of batsmen who do have the technique and experience to play Anderson in such good swing conditions.
No doubt, but prank openers averaging in the 20s seem to have been a feature of the Pakistan team for a long time now, regardless of the conditions they're playing in.
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
This is not meant to be a ****ty comment, but I find it curious that Pakistan as a country that currently, and historically, produces such good fast bowlers has such a poor record of producing good opening batsmen. Typically a country's batting strengths at Test level, in very broad terms, tend to reflect the kinds of techniques necessary to prosper against the bowling that is prevalent within their domestic scene - English batsmen have traditionally had proper techniques to deal with fast bowling in helpful conditions, Australian batsmen have been used to fast pitches and bounce, Indian and Sri Lankan batsmen have been good against spin. Very broad rules, but often true. It's odd that, really since Anwar and Sohail, the Pakistan team has lacked a convincing opener.
There is a very simple explanation. Pakistan have NEVER had a proper functioning first class system that polishes talents and produces quality players. Australia produces batsmen that are used to fast pitches and bounce because the bowlers like Lee, Johnson, Gillespie are also produced by the same system that produces the batsmen. Similarly, there is a functioning system in place in England that produces Anderson and Broad so you have Collingwood and Strauss.

On the other hand, Pakistan has players like Imran, Wasim, Waqar despite the system and not because of it. They are God's gifts if you would like to call it that. There is no system in place that actually polishes talent. The reason Pakistan had all these players like Wasim, Waqar, Sohail, Aaquib Javed, Saeed Anwar, Inzaman in the 90s is because Imran Khan in the 80s took control of cricket in Pakistan and made arbitrary selections based on his own judgement. There is a joke in Pakistan that when Imran was the helm of affairs in the 80s, there was no selection committee, no coach, no manager, no PCB.. It was an Imran show all the way.

Waqar had a crap first class record. Imran happened to catch him on TV in a first class match one day and was impressed with his pace. He said later that Waqar had only one thing - pace, the rest Imran would teach him himself.

Saeed Anwar used to be a lower order batsman. One day in a first class match, he chipped Wasim (who was then already established) for two consecutive boundaries in the last over to seal the match for his team. Imran saw he had sweet timing and told him to start preparing as an opener as he needs openers.

Inzamam was picked because of the way he played Wasim and Waqar at the nets.

This is how these players became who they are.

Similarly, Mohammad Aamer was spotted by Wasim Akram in a training camp 2 years ago.

So its not like these players are the result of a strategically developed and carefully structured first class system. They just happened to be talented and lucky to be spotted.

There is no system in place.

Yeah its pretty bad..
 
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Sir Alex

Banned
There is a very simple explanation. Pakistan have NEVER had a proper functioning first class system that polishes talents and produces quality players. Australia produces batsmen that are used to fast pitches and bounce because the bowlers like Lee, Johnson, Gillespie are also produced by the same system that produces the batsmen. Similarly, there is a functioning system in place in England that produces Anderson and Broad so you have Collingwood and Strauss.

On the other hand, Pakistan has players like Imran, Wasim, Waqar despite the system and not because of it. They are God's gifts if you would like to call it that. There is no system in place that actually polishes talent. The reason Pakistan had all these players like Wasim, Waqar, Sohail, Aaquib Javed, Saeed Anwar, Inzaman in the 90s is because Imran Khan in the 80s took control of cricket in Pakistan and made arbitrary selections based on his own judgement. There is a joke in Pakistan that when Imran was the helm of affairs in the 80s, there was no selection committee, no coach, no manager, no PCB.. It was an Imran show all the way.

Waqar had a crap first class record. Imran happened to catch him on TV in a first class match one day and was impressed with his pace. He said later that Waqar had only one thing - pace, the rest Imran would teach him himself.

Saeed Anwar used to be a lower order batsman. One day in a first class match, he chipped Wasim (who was then already established) for two consecutive boundaries in the last over to seal the match for his team. Imran saw he had sweet timing and told him to start preparing as an opener as he needs openers.

Inzamam was picked because of the way he played Wasim and Waqar at the nets.

This is how these players became who they are.

Similarly, Mohammad Aamer was spotted by Wasim Akram in a training camp 2 years ago.

So its not like these players are the result of a strategically developed and carefully structured first class system. They just happened to be talented and lucky to be spotted.

There is no system in place.

Yeah its pretty bad..
Brilliant post.
 

nightprowler10

Global Moderator
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Rant0r

International 12th Man
This is not meant to be a ****ty comment, but I find it curious that Pakistan as a country that currently, and historically, produces such good fast bowlers has such a poor record of producing good opening batsmen. Typically a country's batting strengths at Test level, in very broad terms, tend to reflect the kinds of techniques necessary to prosper against the bowling that is prevalent within their domestic scene - English batsmen have traditionally had proper techniques to deal with fast bowling in helpful conditions, Australian batsmen have been used to fast pitches and bounce, Indian and Sri Lankan batsmen have been good against spin. Very broad rules, but often true. It's odd that, really since Anwar and Sohail, the Pakistan team has lacked a convincing opener.
Difference is that the more profressional countries like England and Australia send their young cricketers all around the world on tours to get them used to playing in different conditions before they even get to first class cricket.

To be fair you could probably count on your fingers the number of batsmen who do have the technique and experience to play Anderson in such good swing conditions.
Flat pitches, big bats

Most teams, in fact I'd say all teams, would get to at least 200 though.
Haha, true, even Bangladesh

There is a very simple explanation. Pakistan have NEVER had a proper functioning first class system that polishes talents and produces quality players. Australia produces batsmen that are used to fast pitches and bounce because the bowlers like Lee, Johnson, Gillespie are also produced by the same system that produces the batsmen. Similarly, there is a functioning system in place in England that produces Anderson and Broad so you have Collingwood and Strauss.

On the other hand, Pakistan has players like Imran, Wasim, Waqar despite the system and not because of it. They are God's gifts if you would like to call it that. There is no system in place that actually polishes talent. The reason Pakistan had all these players like Wasim, Waqar, Sohail, Aaquib Javed, Saeed Anwar, Inzaman in the 90s is because Imran Khan in the 80s took control of cricket in Pakistan and made arbitrary selections based on his own judgement. There is a joke in Pakistan that when Imran was the helm of affairs in the 80s, there was no selection committee, no coach, no manager, no PCB.. It was an Imran show all the way.

Waqar had a crap first class record. Imran happened to catch him on TV in a first class match one day and was impressed with his pace. He said later that Waqar had only one thing - pace, the rest Imran would teach him himself.

Saeed Anwar used to be a lower order batsman. One day in a first class match, he chipped Wasim (who was then already established) for two consecutive boundaries in the last over to seal the match for his team. Imran saw he had sweet timing and told him to start preparing as an opener as he needs openers.

Inzamam was picked because of the way he played Wasim and Waqar at the nets.

This is how these players became who they are.

Similarly, Mohammad Aamer was spotted by Wasim Akram in a training camp 2 years ago.

So its not like these players are the result of a strategically developed and carefully structured first class system. They just happened to be talented and lucky to be spotted.

There is no system in place.

Yeah its pretty bad..
Probably not a lot unlike the West Indies system of the 70's and 80's, along with their success, the game has evolved so much professionally that countries are being left behind while they bicker over politics and payments, See Pakistan and West Indies for examples.
 

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