Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
A certain Mr Khan started off as a batsman too...
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***Official*** Pakistan and England in UAE
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Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
Its tough to bat on this pitch with the turn its providing...
screamingfields
School Boy/Girl Captain
Yeah it's turning. And it might as well swing. England have got no chance with 300+.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
No. Why?
If England bat the entire time, they win. Pakistan will have more than plenty of time to bowl them out. There is no logical reason to try to up the scoring rate by taking more risks.
Can you name one advantage of bowling faster?
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Wouldn't be so sure about that. Bishoo and Tahir admittedly bowl too many bad balls, and thus neither could be classed as a top class spinner for now, but I think both have the potential, not only to trouble those two but to become quality Test spinners in due course.
And this is from a KP fan...
BTW a genuine question, do you think England should have Bell and KP in the team for the next two home series against West Indies and South Africa given the fact that neither of those two oppositions have a quality spinner and they would be playing at home?
The main reason KP and Bell are so clueless is that accurate spinners deprive them of scoring options and generally leave them psychologically on edge, so they eventually get out in all sorts of outlandish ways (just look at Bell's last couple of dismissals; he not only looks like a tailender against Ajmal, but objectively is worse than say Anderson against him; ditto for KP vs Rehman).
If I were the SA or WI skippers I would play them under the following firm instructions: "It's not variety, drift or flight that beats these guys, but accuracy. Just bowl your two stock balls religiously and on a sixpence. Do not drag any balls down leg side, give them anything short to cut or pull, or bowl any full tosses. (The odd half volley striving for a full length is acceptable and might even induce a mistake)". If I were the WI skipper I would also double up and play Naraine - who long-term has more potential - alongside Bishoo, with Rampaul and one other (whoever they reckon could most trouble these guys with both pace and movement off the pitch) as the seam attack.
As to your question I think that they both should be dropped and that whether the opposition have quality spinners or not should not come into it. The fact that they have two such liabilities in the team, who have not just slight weaknesses in certain conditions and against certain types of bowling, but become walking wickets under those parameters, makes a nonsense of England's openly-professed striving both to be the best in the here and now and to "leave a legacy".
The very idea of replacing these guys with the likes of Hildreth and Taylor seems to be taboo for some here, as if talk of replacing batsmen whose inadequacies have become plain for all to see is a joke. Let's wait to see the new guys bat before laughing. For me the biggest joke of all has been watching KP attempting to bat against Rehman and Bell attempting to bat against Ajmal. I can't remember anything like it since the days Cullinan vs Warne, and can't see how the new guys could possible do any worse.
Whether England will actually bite the bullet is another matter altogether.
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Agent Nationaux
International Coach
Because I would like to see more running between the wickets and a few more fours and sixes.
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
Raja's Tartan. 
Flem274*
123/5
Don't talk like that please. It's not going to result in anything worthwhile.
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smash84
The Tiger King
I assume you mean batting?
Agent answers it below.
the match will become more watchable
That's the name of the game these days. And I wouldn't begrudge Misbah for a second; he deserves that and more. The best skipper you've had since the living legend that Is Imran.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
So you would have your team choose an inferior strategy because your team trying their best strategy in order to win 3-0 against the best team in the world is not watchable enough for you?
Your call I suppose.
Flem274*
123/5
**** me it doesn't take some people long to become spoiled.
"Oooh look we're winning, but oh jeez winning is so boring. Do it in a way I can beat my chest and compare dicks at the urinal."
No ****ing wonder Pakistan were a side of idiot six hitters who couldn't see out a quality spell of bowling to save their lives a few years ago if this is the prevalent attitude.
Apologies. Will edit out if OK with you.
Flem274*
123/5
Cheers mate.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Haha way to borrow a paragraph of my rant.
Flem274*
123/5
Haha realised that after I posted.Haha way to borrow a paragraph of my rant.
Seriously though, your rant summarises the situation perfectly.
Daemon
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Haha, knew that was soon to be coming from someone, was expecting it to be Cribb though.
It's lunch on Day 3, you've just witnessed two great knocks and have all the time in the world to get a substantial lead and bowl England out, thus whitewashing the #1 team in the world. Appreciate it ffs!