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*Official* NRL 2011 Season thread
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Ausage
Cricketer Of The Year
Want Purtell?
Prince EWS
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He'll probably off to Salford or Widnes with Matty.
Ausage
Cricketer Of The Year
Not perfect perhaps, but nowhere near the worst option being bandied about. People are suggesting Sticky Ricky FFS. All of the options are flawed in some way, Bennett has signed with Newcastle IIRC.
Brown was always going to have trouble at the Dragons coaching his mates and being younger than alot of them. Even then his results could be seen as disappointing rather than disastrous. Everyone talks like it was a travesty that the Dragons didn't win a comp in the mid 00s, but there were some seriously good teams with ATG players going around, and a couple that were either definitely or probably cheating the cap. He's 4 years older now, and hopefully a fair bit wiser.
Probably. It's important to share body heat in the cold of an English winter.
On a lighter note, as a Tigers fan (you are a Tigers fan right?) how would you feel about the possibility of us nabbing Sheens?
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howardj
International Coach
I do however stand by my previous remarks that to get the best out of Generation Y, you generally need authority - you need to rule by fear.
I give you Mick Malthouse, Wayne Bennett, Craig Belamy, Alex Ferguson, Des Hasler - all leaders in their field over the past few years.
Young blokes will just take advantage of you if you try to be their friend, or try to be on equal footing with them as coach.
You need to be formal in your dealings with younger players, and instil some fear.
This is something I touch on in my forthcoming essay on Australian cricket. Timmy Nielsen...do you think Steve Smith, Phil Hughes respect that bloke? Not a chance. You need an authority figure in there - someone with a bit of stature and authority; an Allan Border type if you will.
I give you Mick Malthouse, Wayne Bennett, Craig Belamy, Alex Ferguson, Des Hasler - all leaders in their field over the past few years.
Young blokes will just take advantage of you if you try to be their friend, or try to be on equal footing with them as coach.
You need to be formal in your dealings with younger players, and instil some fear.
This is something I touch on in my forthcoming essay on Australian cricket. Timmy Nielsen...do you think Steve Smith, Phil Hughes respect that bloke? Not a chance. You need an authority figure in there - someone with a bit of stature and authority; an Allan Border type if you will.
Prince EWS
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Oh FFS dude.
Ausage
Cricketer Of The Year
You only need to look at Penrith to see the truth of the above statement. As dire as we've looked as a footy team at times over the past four years, the worst thing about Elliott's time here is that he's been more of a mate than a coach.
Look at Petero. He's been running his mouth almost constantly over the past month or two about how the management of this club need to keep quiet, keep out of the media, keep Elliott, keep out of the footy team, keep doing THEIR job (read, not our job). He's outright criticizing his employer in public because the perfectly normal process in sport of being judged on your results is occuring with somebody he considers a close friend. He's one of the most experienced players in the game, he must know that these sorts of things happen to coaches just like they happen to players.
Look at Kingston this year if you want to see someone very comfortably coasting. The guy reeks of someone who isn't going to be dropped and knows it. Against Manly he made 2 forward passes from dummy half with 2 or 3 more that should have been pulled up and he's been doing it all year (along with showing absolutely zero creativity or energy). He didn't seem too phased though. There was no cursing or self admonition. He just blankly continued shoveling out slow barely legal passes. That kind of stuff just doesn't happen when you're paying attention, and you don't pay attention when you know your job is safe because your coach is your buddy first.
As an aside, afterward a young kid with everything to prove comes on and showed what can be done when you give a ****. Seluini looks a gun to me.
We reek of a club coasting on a good result last year, with no interesting putting in the very hard yards to get to that point again. Whoever comes in needs to kick that attitude as far away from the playing group as it can go.
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Johnners
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howardj
International Coach
Thank you.
I know it always sounds wanky, pontificating on Generation Y and psychology etc, but it's a point that needs to be made. The meek, weak Timmy Nielsen versus the wrath and authority of a Bobby Simpson or a Micky Malthouse, Leigh Matthews...common sense tells you it's a no contest in terms of respect and getting the best out of a team of young blokes.
As a coach....
- be a friend, that's a dead end
- be a taskmaster, that's what you're after!
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Ausage
Cricketer Of The Year
I thought FFS was in reference to your oft promised, seldom delivered essay/review into Aussie cricket
Prince EWS
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Yeah I wasn't disagreeing with you howardj; I just couldn't believe you gave the thing yet another plug in the NRL thread of all places.
Mister Wright
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Another good effort from the Broncos. Going along nicely with 7 in a row. 
Burgey
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Iirc that's more consecutive wins than anyone had last year all year. They're going along really well indeed. Good to see the filth beaten. No doubt they'll be bleating over a ref's call on Talkin' Bulldogs on the radio this arvo.
**** them. Very, very hard.
**** them. Very, very hard.
Mister Wright
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From memory I think the Broncos and Dragons shared the longest winning streak last year of 5. Although, I think other than the Cowboys the Broncos also had the longest losing streak last year. Let's hope that pattern isn't repeated.