**Official** New Zealand v Australia

[Ming]

no gillespie, no mcgrath... Lehmann and Watson also in the team....

I guess that's worst than having Bond, Styris, Harris, Oram, Cairns, Astle out of your team then is it?

 

[benchmark00]

I guess that's worst than having Bond, Styris, Harris, Oram, Cairns, Astle out of your team then is it?

UGH... i think i'll just give up, it will save me discussing this with someone like you, who cant understand basic concepts, unfortunately.

 

[Somerset]

I guess that's worst than having Bond, Styris, Harris, Oram, Cairns, Astle out of your team then is it?

It seems that way. Besides McGrath and Gillespie combined were obviously going to score vital runs at the death a la Darren Lehmann and actually get Australia to a reasonable total.

 

[Ming]

Or someone like you who just can't understand that Harris and Oram aren't part-timers....

 

[benchmark00]

 

[anzac]

ok forget all this nonsence about injuries & full strength etc...............hypotheticals do not count & are a waste of time IMO - you can ponder as much as you like about the potential outcomes, and all you end up doing IMO is sitting around waiting for the hypothetical to occur - reactive instead of proactive, and missing the real points & setting them right..............

if we maintain the poor showing was due to injuries to half the team & a **** poor effort by the covering bowlers then we are kidding ourselves...............

the reality is that the NZL ODI side in this series had a depleted & inexperienced bowling attack that got taken to the cleaners by a very profficient & professional outfit...............

secondly Lee was able to exploit the NZL batsmen's weakness against express pace.......

but even beyond this NZL were comprehensively outplayed in every aspect of the game in each & every game IMO - starting from the toss & team tactics....................

we may have been in a position to possibly win the 1st ODI, but instead of improving our form we went backwards at a great rate of knots..............

IMO some serious work needs to be done on not only improving player skills, but also on our team strategies, on field tactics & player selections.............and most of all domestic pitches!!!!!!

 

[marc71178]

The fact that they have done nothing to overtake us, and that we soundly beat them in our last encounter.

One could argue that by giving Australia a modicum of a fight they've done far more than NZ.

 

[marc71178]

Well look at it this way, New Zealand's best bowling line up would probably be:
Bond, Tuffey, Oram, Cairns, Vettori, Styris

How long will Bond be included in that though, it's not as if he's only just been injured,

 

[marc71178]

How many other countries have that record against Australia then? 50/50 is more than respectable and considering we should've won both the 4th VB Series match and the Super Six game, something certainly doesn't add up.

Should've means nothing.

Should've means that Australia did what they're so good at doing and pulled it out the fire.

 

[mavric41]

Is it conincidence that teams suddenly start having alot of injuries about the time they start playing Australia?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Is it conincidence that teams suddenly start having alot of injuries about the time they start playing Australia?

It's for the same reason the umpires subconciously cheat for Australia. Ricky Ponting performs voodoo rituals every year to ensure Australia's continued dominance of world cricket.

 

[BlackCap_Fan]

One could argue that by giving Australia a modicum of a fight they've done far more than NZ.

Could, but the fact remains; NZ beat Sri Lanka in their only encounter of late.

Besides, (I'm assuming you mean this series) Sri Lanka lost 1-0 and were on their way to losing the 2nd test.

 

[BlackCap_Fan]

It's for the same reason the umpires subconciously cheat for Australia. Ricky Ponting performs voodoo rituals every year to ensure Australia's continued dominance of world cricket.

 

[marc71178]

Besides, (I'm assuming you mean this series) Sri Lanka lost 1-0 and were on their way to losing the 2nd test.

Relevance to ODIs?

 

[Somerset]

Should've means nothing.

Should've means that Australia did what they're so good at doing and pulled it out the fire.

That's beside the point - a 50/50 record plus two of the remaining three games in which Bond played, New Zealand should've won. They didn't and thus the game is not included in the overall record, but certainly deserves a mention.

 

[Somerset]

How long will Bond be included in that though, it's not as if he's only just been injured,

We don't know for sure, that's true - but there's hope because of the damage he's caused to Australia in particular in the past and is our best chance of defeating the world champs.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Woohoo. Selectors' loverboy Lee is apparently to be favoured at Christchurch over Kasprowicz, who's done absolutely nothing wrong...

 

[SJS]

Woohoo. Selectors' loverboy Lee is apparently to be favoured at Christchurch over Kasprowicz, who's done absolutely nothing wrong...

Ridiculous decision. Reminds me of Yuvraj's preference over Kaif.

 

[Josh]

Woohoo. Selectors' loverboy Lee is apparently to be favoured at Christchurch over Kasprowicz, who's done absolutely nothing wrong...

...and Lee has done nothing right?? Is that what you're saying, because you're kind of putting forward that Lee has no argument, no excuse, no form, because you haven't even mentioned the way he's been playing...

 

[Magrat Garlick]

...and Lee has done nothing right?? Is that what you're saying, because you're kind of putting forward that Lee has no argument, no excuse, no form, because you haven't even mentioned the way he's been playing...

He's bowled well in the ODIs, granted, but so has Kasprowicz. Then consider that raw pace, which is what Lee's got, often works better in ODIs than in Tests. There just isn't a place for him in the side - four bowlers who are performing excellently, why change something that's working?