RossTaylorsBox
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Dude can swing a bat, but his running between the wickets isn't much chop.
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***Official*** New Zealand tour of Zimbabwe and South Africa 2016
- Thread starter Kippax
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NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Yeah not doom & gloom time. We have problems but we're not terrible.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Anderson had done way more than Santner had IIRC, including dominating in some games for NZA, I believe.
Santner's batting ceiling is James Franklin, unfortunately.
Howsie
International Captain
Contrary to what Firdose Moonda believed and had written before the series, this New Zealand team is far from settled and a lot different to the one from even the middle of last year. Southee has been extremely poor for a good 18 months, Boult was below average after coming back from his stress fracture (he has looked back to his old self this tour tbf). McCullum has retired, Guptill is a walking wicket, Nicholls is just starting out, Anderson and Neesham are both out through injury, creating a balance issue. Both Santner and Bracewell are having to play to combat this, Santner isn't close to being a test standard bowler, Bracewell the same.
This team isn't anywhere near as good as the one from late 2013 till the middle of 2015.
Howsie
International Captain
Oh please.
First of all, Anderson had one first class 100 when he made his test debut, one less than Santner currently has. He might've averaged 2-3 more runs but he sure as heck hadn't done 'more'. Santner probably has a better record than Anderson when it comes to NZ A too. I can't remember Anderson scoring any 100's for NZ A (he had a decent Emerging players tournament back in 2008 but zero 100's). Santner scored good runs for NZ A last year if you remember, outperformed CW golden boy Will Young.
As for the Franklin comment, nice trolling.
Howsie
International Captain
Bowling, pretty much. Southee and Boult were outstanding (Southee especially) from the middle of 2012 till the end of 2014. World class bowlers win you test matches.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
So why are they not there now?
What are the players, coaches, the management etc doing differently? Ok Boult was injured...that's a crap excuse IMO, if you're fit enough to play you're fit enough to perform.
There has to be a consequence for this, but there also has to be a way of getting it right.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Test class, which is better than any other NZ bowlers.
Howe_zat
Audio File
It's actually 20 fewer tests, and what's striking is that he's done it in 5000 fewer deliveries.
Howsie
International Captain
Just because Boult was back playing doesn't mean he's 100 percent mate. People come back from serious injuries and sure they might physically be 100 percent, or close enough anyway. That doesn't mean they'll be back performing at their best right away though, confidence plays a big part and that might take anywhere from 3-12 to 18 months to get back. If you're not 100 percent confident in your body performance is always going to suffer. I mean do you really believe Boult just decided to bowl 10k's slower last summer just because?
As for Southee I'd say a big part in his fall is his lack of drive. Sadly that boy is happy enough just being good enough to play for New Zealand, he knows he's good enough to get away with just being decent.
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
Conflating white ball scores into a Test team discussion, you are Howsie. We'd be locking in Guptill for Tests and looking hard at Worker, if the criteria was how dominantly you can give some hammer to a touring Sri Lanka A white ball attack.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
What a relief we scored 195
I am not giving out kudos to Nicholls despite saving our bacon. I still think his footwork is weak.
I guess if you forced me into complimenting him then I would say he left well outside off stump and had good composure. My boy Popli would have tonned up however
As for this test just flush and move on we had terrible luck throughout it including 54 plays and misses in the sa first inning.
I think the strangest positive I will take out of this is Latham's second inning dismissal. He possibly over corrected from the first inning. But that tells me he thinks about his game even if he over thought it in this case.
I don't know why people are beating up on guptil for his 2nd inning dismissal. I thought the ball he got was h4x and unplayable. I guess the only negative you can throw at him is that many other batsman would have been beaten but wouldn't have followed the ball with their bat. But I think that is asking guptil to be as good as Alistair cook or one of the premier opening batsman around the world. I would still retain him and I note he took a catch.
He outscored Ross in the end didn't he ( ironic joke)
Looking forward to the next series and being an eternal optimist I will give us a chance of winning that.
I am not giving out kudos to Nicholls despite saving our bacon. I still think his footwork is weak.
I guess if you forced me into complimenting him then I would say he left well outside off stump and had good composure. My boy Popli would have tonned up however
As for this test just flush and move on we had terrible luck throughout it including 54 plays and misses in the sa first inning.
I think the strangest positive I will take out of this is Latham's second inning dismissal. He possibly over corrected from the first inning. But that tells me he thinks about his game even if he over thought it in this case.
I don't know why people are beating up on guptil for his 2nd inning dismissal. I thought the ball he got was h4x and unplayable. I guess the only negative you can throw at him is that many other batsman would have been beaten but wouldn't have followed the ball with their bat. But I think that is asking guptil to be as good as Alistair cook or one of the premier opening batsman around the world. I would still retain him and I note he took a catch.
He outscored Ross in the end didn't he ( ironic joke)
Looking forward to the next series and being an eternal optimist I will give us a chance of winning that.
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Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Other random comments
1 if rossco's shooter had truly shot along the ground it would have been a no ball for bouncing more than twice. This devilish delivery kept low but not too low.
2 same team plus Sodhi for bracewell in India
3 I would preservers with Santner
But I believe he needs to be yelled at a bit by a griz Wyllie style coach. He is not playing with enough grit or determination and there is a cure for that.
1 if rossco's shooter had truly shot along the ground it would have been a no ball for bouncing more than twice. This devilish delivery kept low but not too low.
2 same team plus Sodhi for bracewell in India
3 I would preservers with Santner
But I believe he needs to be yelled at a bit by a griz Wyllie style coach. He is not playing with enough grit or determination and there is a cure for that.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
You forgot Jacob Duffy
Athlai
Not Terrible
Spud.