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**Official** New Zealand in West Indies

BeeGee

International Captain
We're picking a batting heavy side with Vettori and Van Wyk at 7 & 8 - to me that screams that our tactic is to bat first. If we're going to bat badly in first innings we're going to lose anyway, whether that's batting first or second.

Would only consider not batting first if there's something to suggest the pitch will be easiest to bat on on days 2 and 3 rather than day 1. Obviously I didn't see the warmup match but I'm picturing the test pitch with no grass and just steadily degrading and getting slower and more difficult to bat on (possibly more difficult to take wickets on too though - for our attack anyway). Might be wrong though - interested to hear Beegee's logic - if our batting is a Tragedy, is bowling first just about Stayin' Alive? :ph34r:
Here's my logic for bowling first:
1) By all accounts the wicket is going to be a difficult one to bat on. So why put your batsmen under pressure from ball one when you could do that to the opposition instead?

2) Even though we're playing an extra batsman, I still think our bowling is our strength, not our batting. The extra batsman is there to try to compensate for our weakness, and doesn't make it a strength.

3) NZ is traditionally bad at batting first. The only time NZ should bat first is if the pitch is a road.

4) Cricket is a mental game. The best chance our (weak) batsmen have for posting a competitive total is if the opposition have just been rolled for a low total.

Basically what I want is the warm-up game in reverse. Roll the WI for a low score. Our batsmen bat with little pressure on them and get a first innings lead. The WI bat with a ton of pressure on them and we roll them cheaply again.

Wagner, Martin, Bracewell and Vettori are our strength, imo, and we should lead with our strength.
 
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straw man

Hall of Fame Member
I agree somewhat with number 4 though I seem to remember the few times in recent years we have shot out a team for not much first up, we have still subsequently failed at batting. Our batsmen all get nosebleeds if they think they have a chance to give us a lead.

Like you I would not go so far as to call our batting a strength, not in these conditions anyway. There are arguments both ways on the mental side of batting first Vs bowling first, given our XI players, so I'd lean towards letting expectations on the pitch and conditions make the decision. Wait and see what the pitch is like but I suspect bat earlier rather than later.
 
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_Ed_

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Haha, appalling toss by Sammy. Nearly hit himself with the coin. That was entertaining.
 

BeeGee

International Captain
There are arguments both ways on the mental side of batting first Vs bowling first, given our XI players, so I'd lean towards letting expectations on the pitch and conditions make the decision. Wait and see what the pitch is like but I suspect bat earlier rather than later.
Fair call.
I have to say the pitch looks a lot better than I was expecting. Some of the reports I read made it sound like a mine field.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Mildly gutted NZ won the toss as I was looking forward to a first sight of Wagner. Seems like he's been qualifying forever, but logic dictates it's more likely to be four years.

Roach on the money right away.
 

NasserFan207

International Vice-Captain
Fair call.
I have to say the pitch looks a lot better than I was expecting. Some of the reports I read made it sound like a mine field.
Its a slow pitch, and will get slower and lower as things go on. Good to bat on the first day.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Ravi's girth hasn't diminished much considering he's had a decent run of fitness since the England tour.

Getting some nice seam off the pitch there, maybe not quite as dead a deck as all that.
 

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