**Official** New Zealand in West Indies

[stumpski]

Samuels is hard to get away isn't he - firing them in at middle and leg with a man out at deep backward square. RR over 12 now, and Sammy also proving tidy as usual. Enter Southee the pinch-hitter.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

209 I can accept. But for TWO? laughable.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Saved by the low framerate. It's crazy how often it happens, you'd think they'd have super slo-mo on runouts by now.

 

[SilentOne]

Oram you useless ****.

 

[Flem274*]

Had an Oram and Nicol rant all prepped before logging on to cricinfo to check if this game was worth watching after the 18th over of our fielding "performance" and finding they were our highest scorers.

Not going to bother with the rest of the game. What was that in the field? Oram has said on cricinfo he would rather be at home with his kid, and he bowled a ton of extras and injured himself today, suggesting he isn't quite there mentally. I'm sure we have a ton of allrounders who would love a crack in his place. Forget Ellis, Gillespie missing out on a contract to a 33 year old injury prone limited overs specialist who would rather be doing something else is bizarre. Let Oram get big bucks from the IPL and give the contract to a test specialist.

Nicol's bowling...

Latham's keeping was disappointing. Was worth giving him a chance but he might need more practice at Canterbury. Can't really tell from one game whether it was nerves or a normal performance.

 

[SteveNZ]

One: That result was always going to happen. You'd have easily put a mill on the Windies. They had players in form in the IPL, they have been playing while not only have we not played internationally since March, we also didn't play a warm-up match.

Two: That does not excuse the amount of basics we got wrong. Catches, wides, poor lengths at the death...that was Zimbabwe-like.

Yet another injury to Oram, and Taylor is a concern as well. If I was Ronnie Hira, I'd actually be stoked I got injured. Missed the carnage, won't miss any cricket (the next game sure, but he's not in the ODI squad) and will be fit for the World Twenty20 and Champions League with the Aces.

 

[Bahnz]

Not going to bother with the rest of the game. What was that in the field? Oram has said on cricinfo he would rather be at home with his kid, and he bowled a ton of extras and injured himself today, suggesting he isn't quite there mentally. I'm sure we have a ton of allrounders who would love a crack in his place.

It's fair enough to have a go at his bowling, but you can hardly blame his injury on being "not there mentally". If that's the case, then he hasn't had his focus right for the past decade (and for that matter, neither did Shane Bond). As for other allrounders, care to name a few?

Anyway, no surprises today, this is a really awful New Zealand team, stuffed full of rubbish from top to bottom. I wouldn't be too surprised if we don't win a game all tour, especially if Oram and Taylor are missing for a decent portion of it.

 

[gvenkat]

some pics from the game.

Lauderhill - 1st T20 WI vs NZ - a set on Flickr

 

[Howsie]

John Wright and the Dingo Duo must be on crack when it comes to Rob Nicol. Somebody name me the last batsmen who had any sort of success at the international level with one bloody shot, a premeditated one at that. It's like watching Mal Loye all over again.

 

[Flem274*]

It's fair enough to have a go at his bowling, but you can hardly blame his injury on being "not there mentally". If that's the case, then he hasn't had his focus right for the past decade (and for that matter, neither did Shane Bond). As for other allrounders, care to name a few?

Anyway, no surprises today, this is a really awful New Zealand team, stuffed full of rubbish from top to bottom. I wouldn't be too surprised if we don't win a game all tour, especially if Oram and Taylor are missing for a decent portion of it.

Massive exaggeration. More or less it's a mix of the world cup ODI side and the test side that beat Australia. Hardly stuffed full of rubbish.

The injury being connected to his mental game was poor wording on my part.

If Oram misses the rest of the tour when he's going to play like that, it will be a good thing. Here's hoping he gets his bowling radar back because that was terribad and looks like the performance of a guy who has done **** all cricket - matches or practice.

 

[Bahnz]

Massive exaggeration. More or less it's a mix of the world cup ODI side and the test side that beat Australia. Hardly stuffed full of rubbish.

It bears a resemblance to the world cup side, but has been stripped of much of the quality and experience that enabled that team's (moderate) success.

Vettori and Styris are gone. Ryder has self imploded and who knows when he'll be back. Southee is just rubbish. Oram is always injured, and even Reliable Kyle doesn't seem that effective anymore. Other members of the team that survived the world cup, Guptill, Bracewell and NcCullum in particular, remain limited cricketers and not (yet at least) the types that you can rely upon for match winning performances. Taylor and McCullum are good limited overs players, and Williamson will be too in a couple of years, but they aren't going to win many games on their own.

 

[Howsie]

It wouldn't be a New Zealand tour thread without Bahnz bashing Southee.

 

[Flem274*]

It bears a resemblance to the world cup side, but has been stripped of much of the quality and experience that enabled that team's (moderate) success.

Vettori and Styris are gone. Ryder has self imploded and who knows when he'll be back. Southee is just rubbish. Oram is always injured, and even Reliable Kyle doesn't seem that effective anymore. Other members of the team that survived the world cup, Guptill, Bracewell and NcCullum in particular, remain limited cricketers and not (yet at least) the types that you can rely upon for match winning performances. Taylor and McCullum are good limited overs players, and Williamson will be too in a couple of years, but they aren't going to win many games on their own.

Bracewell is a pretty complete bowler tbh, and Southee is fine in limited overs from what I remember of last season and the world cup.

In any case, you've just admitted there that the side isn't rubbish, even if it was accidentally.

I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill here. We lost that game because bowlers who have previously shown the ability to at least bowl in a straight line couldn't do that, and the better spinner of the two we played got injured, meaning we needed to bowl Nicol to Gayle on a postage stamp. Oram has always been an awful 20/20 bowler as well. Bracewell and Southee weren't able to cover the others today, so the score was a blow out.

The rest can be attributed to it being our first match back and more importantly, a good performance from a keyed in Windies unit who have clearly benefitted from tough series against Australia and England.

We'll spend much of the second 20/20 getting up to speed with international cricket again but we'l be fine by the ODI series and if we don't win a single game on tour with our best side as you predict, I'll flounce pretty hard. They're the Windies ffs. One mystery spinner with all hype and no results and we've got the second coming of Murali here. They're our equals, and the tour will show this to be true.

 

[Bahnz]

It wouldn't be a New Zealand tour thread without Bahnz bashing Southee.

You're probably right, I'm too hard on him. He did bowl really well for half an hour against Australia last year.

 

[Flem274*]

Don't think anyone denies he's not made the grade yet in tests tbf. He's moderate in ODIs though.

 

[Howsie]

You're probably right, I'm too hard on him. He did bowl really well for half an hour against Australia last year.

A season that never got going because of injury, yeah let's hold it against him, completely ignore the success of the season before too huh.

 

[Briony]

Shocking from the kiwis; encouraging from the Windies.

 

[Bahnz]

Bracewell is a pretty complete bowler tbh, and Southee is fine in limited overs from what I remember of last season and the world cup.

In any case, you've just admitted there that the side isn't rubbish, even if it was accidentally.

I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill here. We lost that game because bowlers who have previously shown the ability to at least bowl in a straight line couldn't do that, and the better spinner of the two we played got injured, meaning we needed to bowl Nicol to Gayle on a postage stamp. Oram has always been an awful 20/20 bowler as well. Bracewell and Southee weren't able to cover the others today, so the score was a blow out.

The rest can be attributed to it being our first match back and more importantly, a good performance from a keyed in Windies unit who have clearly benefitted from tough series against Australia and England.

We'll spend much of the second 20/20 getting up to speed with international cricket again but we'l be fine by the ODI series and if we don't win a single game on tour with our best side as you predict, I'll flounce pretty hard. They're the Windies ffs. One mystery spinner with all hype and no results and we've got the second coming of Murali here. They're our equals, and the tour will show this to be true.

Ehhh, in ODI's at least I think they're a distinctly better side, and in home conditions will be much too strong. The tests could be interesting, because their batting is just so flakey, but I think ours is even flakier and in Roach the Windies have a bowler who could rip us apart.

 

[Howsie]

We'll spend much of the second 20/20 getting up to speed with international cricket again but we'l be fine by the ODI series and if we don't win a single game on tour with our best side as you predict, I'll flounce pretty hard. They're the Windies ffs. One mystery spinner with all hype and no results and we've got the second coming of Murali here. They're our equals, and the tour will show this to be true.

They might be our equals if we were at home, but in the Caribbean they're massive favourites imo. New Zealand will struggle big time on those pitches.

 

[Bahnz]

A season that never got going because of injury, yeah let's hold it against him, completely ignore the success of the season before too huh.

Har, good one. Southee missed one test at the start of the season, and even he admitted that his poor performances were down to his bowling action falling to bits.

As for 2010/11, yep 10 wickets at 46.70. What a terror.