*Official* New Zealand in West Indies, AUG 10 to 21, 2022

[Socerer 01]

Sheesh at least Neesham is in with Phillips. Bit harsh on Young but he looks mentally shot. Add Nicholls to that category too

 

[thierry henry]

Man Neesham will have been brutally treated in ODI cricket if he's no longer seen as first string.

2015 WC - in the squad (and usually the XI) for 2 years leading up to the World Cup before being completed dropped at the last minute

2018/19 - Returns with an outstanding home summer and then has an outstanding 2019 WC, making the official team of the tournament

2019 onwards - We entirely stop playing ODIs and Neesham gets dropped from ODI side based on nothing?

 

[NZTailender]

He's in my personally preferred XI tbh. I'm just guessing with the WC in India coming up they'll see a spinning all-rounder as more of an incumbent. I'm not sure if they see Neesham as a bowling all-rounder (vying for a spot with Bracewell) or batting all-rounder (Phillips) even though he's done a fine role in finishing in the past as well as some pretty decent death bowling.

I would personally prefer a playing XI of something like:

1. Guptill
2. Conway
3. Williamson
4. Mitchell
5. Latham+
6. Phillips
7. Neesham
8. Santner
9. Henry
10. Ferguson
11. Boult

With Sodhi for Henry on spinning tracks

If we're heading outside that 15, I still have faith in Young, but not as an opener

1. Allen
2. Conway
3. Williamson
4. Young
5. Mitchell
6. Cleaver+
7. Neesham
8. Santner
9. Henry
10. Ferguson
11. Boult

12. Phillips
13. Sodhi
14. Sears
15. Rippon

 

[thierry henry]

Yeah I can totally see why Neesham wouldn't be in the first XI. He's always been a guy who has some nice attributes (hits the long ball, finisher, can bowl briskly) while also being dangerously close to "bits and pieces" because he's never established himself as an international standard bowler and nor is he a proper batsman. Would just be another harsh chapter in the story of his career if he crushed it in one World Cup (with a whole "comeback story" narrative around it) and then was dropped from the next one for no real performance-based reason.

 

[NZTailender]

Yeah I can totally see why Neesham wouldn't be in the first XI. He's always been a guy who has some nice attributes (hits the long ball, finisher, can bowl briskly) while also being dangerously close to "bits and pieces" because he's never established himself as an international standard bowler and nor is he a proper batsman. Would just be another harsh chapter in the story of his career if he crushed it in one World Cup (with a whole "comeback story" narrative around it) and then was dropped from the next one for no real performance-based reason.

His death bowling in the WC was a real breath of fresh air after Henry's and Southee's efforts iirc. I thought, damn, he's cemented himself a spot here, it could be his specialist bowling role, great stuff for him. And then there's his hitting. I mean, if Kane/Stead thought he was in the top 2 batsmen to get them home in a super over in a god damn WC final, surely that counts for something.

And yet he's just kinda been discarded because we've played **** all ODIs and management seem to have short memories. plus, he's probably not a Steady-as-she-goes rural-Canterbury-sports-type personality as has been well publicised in the past, so any excuse for him to be on the outer is probably lapped up by those who like conformity.

 

[Flem274*]

It's blatantly obvious this team is selected on who you are and not what you do. That was locked in stone the day Macewell played test cricket ahead of Ajaz Patel.

Rugby is copping it for being a boys club right now but cricket deserves just as much stick.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

WILLIAMSON RETURNS

Don't worry he'll solve all our problems

 

[thundaboult]

He's in my personally preferred XI tbh. I'm just guessing with the WC in India coming up they'll see a spinning all-rounder as more of an incumbent. I'm not sure if they see Neesham as a bowling all-rounder (vying for a spot with Bracewell) or batting all-rounder (Phillips) even though he's done a fine role in finishing in the past as well as some pretty decent death bowling.

I would personally prefer a playing XI of something like:

1. Guptill
2. Conway
3. Williamson
4. Mitchell
5. Latham+
6. Phillips
7. Neesham
8. Santner
9. Henry
10. Ferguson
11. Boult

With Sodhi for Henry on spinning tracks

If we're heading outside that 15, I still have faith in Young, but not as an opener

1. Allen
2. Conway
3. Williamson
4. Young
5. Mitchell
6. Cleaver+
7. Neesham
8. Santner
9. Henry
10. Ferguson
11. Boult

12. Phillips
13. Sodhi
14. Sears
15. Rippon

he''ll debut at 34 in odi's when he's bowling 126km

 

[Moss]

Guessing they wanted to save on plane fare and accommodation for this trip, otherwise the same 15 for both ODIs and T20s (including noted 20-over specialists Latham and Henry), really? First white ball series in ages against a serious side (who would probably be favourites) FFS.

Nice to see the inclusion of Allen and Phillips but otherwise same-old same-old. Chance to learn a bit more about Chapman, Cleaver, Sears, Rippon etc clearly not a priority.

 

[Moss]

Bit harsh on Young but he looks mentally shot.

Think NZ really messed things up by forcing him into the opening slot. Hope he bounces back because there's no new wave of batsmen putting pressure on the incumbents TBH.

 

[thundaboult]

I'm not liking the idea of southee bowling in t20s on aus pitches....

 

[Moss]

I'm not liking the idea of southee bowling in t20s on aus pitches....

I get the feeling KW/Latham would bowl Southee and Boult unchanged in all limited overs games if the rules allowed them to do so.

 

[thundaboult]

Really excited for this t20 series. The wi big hitters will filter out our crap bowlers from the good. Macewell be warned.

 

[nzfan]

This series to a certain extent will tell us where we actually stand in white ball cricket. We have full strength team and likely at least about 9-10 players will be around now till the t20 and one day world cups. I can see through my crystal ball (not an accurate one), by next year we will have had lots of changes particularly in the white ball campaign. At the moment our games vs Dutch, Ireland, Scotland is not telling us much.

 

[Moss]

This series to a certain extent will tell us where we actually stand in white ball cricket. We have full strength team and likely at least about 9-10 players will be around now till the t20 and one day world cups. I can see through my crystal ball (not an accurate one), by next year we will have had lots of changes particularly in the white ball campaign. At the moment our games vs Dutch, Ireland, Scotland is not telling us much.

Yes, and India have mostly had the better of the West Indies on their tour so far, so it can be seen as a benchmarking series of sorts for NZ.

 

[TheBrand]

Looking forward to this, we've taken a pretty good squad over + Michael Bracewell.

 

[ashley bach]

This series to a certain extent will tell us where we actually stand in white ball cricket. We have full strength team and likely at least about 9-10 players will be around now till the t20 and one day world cups. I can see through my crystal ball (not an accurate one), by next year we will have had lots of changes particularly in the white ball campaign. At the moment our games vs Dutch, Ireland, Scotland is not telling us much.

This could very well tell us where we actually stand.
We may well discover that we are the worst number 1 ranked team of all time....but here's hoping not.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

First match is today.

The squad is the same as the one versus India.

Not looking good. One would have expected quite a few changes, in a sane world…but this is West Indies we are talking about. No direction.

 

[Beamer]

First match is today.

The squad is the same as the one versus India.

Not looking good. One would have expected quite a few changes, in a sane world…but this is West Indies we are talking about. No direction.

It feels particularly bleak at the moment. Lets see what lineup they come up with this time. If Brooks opens I will be turning the TV off....

 

[Apex Predator]

WI is winning today. Mayers King Hetty Pooran... That's a good Top 4.
Akeal & Walsh both should play. Holder Joseph Obed Odean should be pace attack