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***Official*** New Zealand in the West Indies 2014

Howsie

International Captain
Looking at the last time Australia toured the West Indies I'm leaning towards a Southee-Boult-Sodhi-Craig-Anderson bowling attack. In two of the tests played Australia played a three quicks, Lyon, Watson bowling attack, and one of the quicks was always way underbowled, with a Clarke, Warner type getting few quite a lot of overs themselves.

I have no idea how good Craig will go, he obviously shouldn't be in the test squad for starters, but I'm taking him over Wagner everytime this series, especially with Anderson in the playing XI.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Looking at the last time Australia toured the West Indies I'm leaning towards a Southee-Boult-Sodhi-Craig-Anderson bowling attack. In two of the tests played Australia played a three quicks, Lyon, Watson bowling attack, and one of the quicks was always way underbowled, with a Clarke, Warner type getting few quite a lot of overs themselves.

I have no idea how good Craig will go, he obviously shouldn't be in the test squad for starters, but I'm taking him over Wagner everytime this series, especially with Anderson in the playing XI.
Well, Williamson has bowled lots of overs in the last couple of years, certainly more than Clarke and Warner and has done pretty well.
 

BeeGee

International Captain
- Shiv is better than Taylor by a country mile, form or no form.
- Southee and Boult are both better than Roach as it stands, particularly as Kemar has been injured for a about a year. We might be having a different discussion in a few weeks or so if Kemar gets it right but all evidence points to them both being likely to perform better than Roach in this series.
- Watling and Ramdin cancel each other out with their record since Watling has started test cricket and it is basically impossible to separate them, it just comes down to your nationality as to which one you think is better basically :laugh:

Surely we can move on? There's some pretty exciting cricket coming up and I for one am looking forward to the first series in a long while that I won't be complaining about us playing with 10 men :).
This bloke knows what he's talking about.
 

Beamer

International Vice-Captain
The scores from the second day of the warm up match are in and the batsmen have continued to struggle. Given the history of the pitch they are playing on it is hardly surprising but I was hoping for better. Bravo's century is starting to look very good!

Scores:

West Indies: 272 all out (82 overs) (Darren Bravo 124, Kirk Edwards 50, Shane Shillingford 22; Jomel Warrican 5-78, Chaim Holder 3-92)

Barbados Select XI: 143 all out (51.2 overs) (Anthony Alleyne 62, Raymon Reifer 37 not out, Marlon Samuels 4-25, Kemar Roach 3-17, Jerome Taylor 2-20).

West Indies: 113-6 (42 overs) (Kieran Powell 22, Denesh Ramdin 21 not out, Jason Holder 21, Kirk Edwards 20, Chaim Holder 3-24).
 

Beamer

International Vice-Captain
not sure what to make of Samuels bowling again...
I know what to make of it........:@

Also I always thought him taking big wickets was a sign of a very poor pitch and very poor batsmanship. Our bowlers need more of a workout then this and our batsmen need time in the middle on decent pitches. This venue provides neither of those opportunities so this warm up is a bit of a disaster.
 

WindieWeathers

International Regular
The scores from the second day of the warm up match are in and the batsmen have continued to struggle. Given the history of the pitch they are playing on it is hardly surprising but I was hoping for better. Bravo's century is starting to look very good!

Scores:

West Indies: 272 all out (82 overs) (Darren Bravo 124, Kirk Edwards 50, Shane Shillingford 22; Jomel Warrican 5-78, Chaim Holder 3-92)

Barbados Select XI: 143 all out (51.2 overs) (Anthony Alleyne 62, Raymon Reifer 37 not out, Marlon Samuels 4-25, Kemar Roach 3-17, Jerome Taylor 2-20).

West Indies: 113-6 (42 overs) (Kieran Powell 22, Denesh Ramdin 21 not out, Jason Holder 21, Kirk Edwards 20, Chaim Holder 3-24).
Looks like they changed the side a little for the second innings as Jason Holder has been included despite not playing yesterday...anyway we all know about that track Beamer!!..."spinner paradise" doesn't do it justice :laugh: ..good to see Roach and Taylor get a few wickets..would expect the batting to improve in the next game and well done to Alleyne and Reifer...two very talented youngsters there.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
I got the impression from some of his interviews that Ambrose didn't really care about cricket anymore, so it's great to see him getting involved.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Someone said Ramdin and Watling are basically the same, depending on your bias? Good lord no.

And injury forms part of any comparison, so if Boult and Southee stay on the field with similar numbers to Roach - then more power to them.
 

Mike5181

International Captain
Chris Gayle
Darren Bravo
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Marlon Samuels
Dwayne Bravo
Jerome Taylor
Jason Holder
Kemar Roach

Tom Latham
Kane Williamson
Ross Taylor
Brendon McCullum
Corey Anderson
BJ Watling
Tim Southee
Ish Sodhi
Neil Wagner
Trent Boult

I like all of those players, so this series should be fun.
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Looks like I'm late to the party..

A lot of the arguments for/against a player end up picking apart stats from a small sample size.. Roach, Southee and Boult haven't played enough to make a clear assessment on who is better imo - I think it would be clearer 2 years from now.. They are all young (24/25 years old, 20-30 Tests), and their records don't point to one being clearly better than the other.. Southee has improved and found another level recently but he's also played the most tests of the three so he's had more opportunities.. All three have a lot of potential:
Roach vs Southee
Roach vs Boult

Chanderpaul vs Taylor is more interesting. Chanderpaul obviously has the better career record, but Taylor has found another level in his batting recently - I think they are at a similar level in terms of current form:
Chanderpaul vs Taylor

Should be a close series especially with WI playing at home and NZ's weakness vs spin (assuming Narine figures out Test cricket).
Helpful post thanks for that. Surprised all three of them havn't taken more 5fers.
 

WindieWeathers

International Regular
Love this pic of Sir Gary advising young Darren Bravo HERE ...believe me the whole of the caribbean breathed a sigh of RELIEF when we saw he hit 124 in the warm up match :laugh: .
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Test opener spot turns in Tom Latham's favour | Stuff.co.nz

Peter Fulton will captain New Zealand in their West Indies tour opener early tomorrow while Tom Latham eyes a big chance to nail down a test and one-day opener's slot.

Just 10 of New Zealand's 15-man squad have landed in Jamaica's Montego Bay, their base for the first week of the tour which entails two warmup matches at Trelawny Stadium.

It means a low-key opening two-dayer against a local selection, with Fulton calling the shots in the absence of Brendon McCullum (playing in the Indian Premier League) and Kane Williamson (completing a four-day county match for Yorkshire). Others still to arrive in coming days are IPL trio Ross Taylor, Tim Southee and Corey Anderson.

Latham and fellow left-hander Hamish Rutherford - the incumbent - have the most to gain from the opening week, with coach Mike Hesson insisting the opening slots remain up for grabs in the warmup games.

Barring a horror few innings, Fulton appears to have one spot by virtue of his experience and status as one of the team's leaders.

Latham, who showed encouraging signs on test debut against India in Wellington in February, is the improver.

Two net sessions in the Jamaican heat gave him an early taste of the spin examination the Black Caps' batsmen will face.

"The practice wickets have been pretty tough to bat on; a lot of turn and it's been pretty good preparation to sort out a gameplan," he said.

"It's important to look to score. If you're just looking to defend you're going to get in trouble. The sweep is a big option of mine so I'll try to sort that out as well."

Hesson predicted last week that the Black Caps could face three spinners in the first test at Kingston on June 9: mystery offies Sunil Narine and Shane Shillingford, and towering left-arm orthodox Sulieman Benn.

The first two are familiar to the tourists after causing more carnage in New Zealand last year, and Latham won't be surprised if Narine is thrown the new ball as he was in Hamilton in December.

The left-hander took a fortnight off after a marathon season where he topped the Plunket Shield charts with 948 runs at an average of 79 for champions Canterbury - including two double-centuries. He worked with his regular batting coach Bob Carter, and Canterbury assistant Paul Wiseman, on the Merlin bowling machine.

"You can put it on offspin and have the odd one that's a leggie so that's been good preparation. It gives me a bit of confidence that I can pick it in the air so hopefully I can do the same if I get the chance in the first test.

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"They're certainly very tough to play in their home conditions. The crowd gets right behind them, it's very loud and a hostile place to play.

"I'm not expecting anything different. If we can prepare and adapt as quick as possible hopefully we can start well."

And if Latham starts well, he'll be a step closer to a World Cup spot. With Jesse Ryder and New Zealand Cricket still miles apart, a one-day opener's slot beckons for the cup buildup which starts with a home series against South Africa in October.

Hesson has said Latham, Rutherford and Anton Devcich will all be looked at in the 50-over matches on the New Zealand A winter tour of the UK.

Said Latham: "It's a huge opportunity. It's going to be a huge challenge for everyone and if you put the numbers on the board, hopefully those selections come further down the track. I'd love to play in the World Cup but that's a long way off."
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
really? Who do you rate higher?
A good way of rating one cricketer against another is who you'd want in your side. I'll take BJ's 8-run higher average and ultimate team man status to the bank over Mr 'Talk Nah'.

Anyway...Fulton has an opening spot based on experience and status as a leader? Or Mr Geenty interviewed his typewriter
 

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