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**Official** New Zealand in South Africa
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
Since when is batting for 45 deliveries "doing the hard work"?
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
We're not dead?
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
when a team takes a huge lead after the 1st innings, the other team almost always puts up a much better fight in the 2nd innings before usually conspiring to fall just short of avoiding an innings defeat.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah, he was looking ****ing good before he got out too. It's probably the most impressed I've been with him technically, he was looking so solid. Played a back foot cover drive off the right ball for 4 (or 3 maybe? can't remember) and then just got carried away with it and ended up playing the lamest shot you will ever see. Even if he got out for 320 like that I would've been disappointed, it was a vile shot.
KungFu_Kallis
International Debutant
Dug up an interesting tidbit from cricinfo's "ask stephen" section:
What is the biggest first-innings deficit which has been overturned to win a Test? asked John Matthews from Surrey
Strictly speaking the answer is 331, which is the first-innings lead England conceded against Pakistan at The Oval in 2006 before, later in the game, Pakistan forfeited the match after being accused of ball-tampering. The biggest lead overturned in the normal course of events in a Test is 291, by Australia against Sri Lanka in Colombo in August 1992. After Australia made 256, Sri Lanka replied with 547 for 8, with three centuries, including a rapid one from the debutant Romesh Kaluwitharana. Australia then made 471, setting a modest victory target of 181 - and although Sri Lanka seemed to be cruising at 127 for 2 they lost their last eight wickets for 37, to lose by 16 runs. The last three went to Shane Warne, his first significant contribution in Test cricket.
Ergo NZ with a deficit of 302 would have to create history on this front.
Interestingly, the lowest first innings Test total that resulted in a win for that side was 45 by England vs Australia in Sydney in 1887.
What is the biggest first-innings deficit which has been overturned to win a Test? asked John Matthews from Surrey
Strictly speaking the answer is 331, which is the first-innings lead England conceded against Pakistan at The Oval in 2006 before, later in the game, Pakistan forfeited the match after being accused of ball-tampering. The biggest lead overturned in the normal course of events in a Test is 291, by Australia against Sri Lanka in Colombo in August 1992. After Australia made 256, Sri Lanka replied with 547 for 8, with three centuries, including a rapid one from the debutant Romesh Kaluwitharana. Australia then made 471, setting a modest victory target of 181 - and although Sri Lanka seemed to be cruising at 127 for 2 they lost their last eight wickets for 37, to lose by 16 runs. The last three went to Shane Warne, his first significant contribution in Test cricket.
Ergo NZ with a deficit of 302 would have to create history on this front.
Interestingly, the lowest first innings Test total that resulted in a win for that side was 45 by England vs Australia in Sydney in 1887.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Steyn was surprised by the dismissal.Better effort - well done McCullum and Brownlie.
Guptill though- that successful West Indies tour seems a loooong time ago now. Since then has 118 runs in 10 innings at 11.8 with one fifty.
KungFu_Kallis
International Debutant
Yeah, Elgar's was one of the scratchiest innings wasn't it? Combined with his Perth pair he's either horribly out of form or doesn't appear to have the temperament for Tests.\
Edit: Or just plain not very good, which would be a surprising selection then. Seems to be rushed in his strokes, made Johnson look 150kph and even Franklin look like a fast bowler at times, heh..
Somebody like Ryan McLaren or even Rory Kleinveldt would probably add more value to the side, particularly in terms of looking after Kallis's workload. I feel they should be blooding a pace bowling allrounder like McLaren at this stage rather than leaving it until Kallis falls over. On the other hand I suppose they are sticking to a 7 batsman formula that is working, and like having a first class opener like Elgar or Rudolph coming in so low down which can also help combat the 2nd new ball. I suspect Duminy has a strong chance to come back in when he's fit again though, particularly with his added bowling ability, and Elgar/Rudolph have only been keeping his seat warm in the mean time.
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Flem274*
123/5
hey we didnt even do our usual score of 150/5. go us!
would bring in Munro and one of the left armers for the next test. yeah Munro will get owned but thats the point - I'd rather he gets shown exactly what he needs to improve sooner rather than later so he can go away and develop a proper offside technique.
if he succeeds then great, we can try to forget franklin ever happened.
would bring in Munro and one of the left armers for the next test. yeah Munro will get owned but thats the point - I'd rather he gets shown exactly what he needs to improve sooner rather than later so he can go away and develop a proper offside technique.
if he succeeds then great, we can try to forget franklin ever happened.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Brownliiiieeeeeeee. Lucky to be there by all accounts, but always seems to make a decent score when you're least expecting it.
Briony
International Debutant
Yeah Brownlie rode his luck but SA had one of those horror days in the field where their bowling was either top class or wayward and they dropped catches or all over the place - Elgar, Kallis, Petersen, Morkel. Petersen himself said that they were terrible. Apparently they declared so that their quick bowlers didn't have to bat. Surprising how little respect Amla and AB showed though the way they were moving about the crease.
Mike5181
International Captain
You obviously didn't watch the game then.
Mike5181
International Captain
I don't see how it's the worst comeback ever. Had he seen the game, he would have known the first 20 overs or so of our innings was the most challenging period of play for our batsmen. By the time Brownlie got to the crease, South Africa had started to bowl a little wayward, and it didn't look they did much research on him because they kept feeding his back foot strength. Anyway, I'm reasonably happy with the days play. Hopefully these two can form a decent partnership, and chip away at that lead. I'd be happy with them just batting again actually. You'd think South Africa will be on their game, and won't let as many chances go as they did yesterday though.
Flem274*
123/5
You could have just said that. It's becoming a gripe of mine because lately every **** and their dog is pulling out some variation of you obviously don't watch cricket.
And yeah the test is going to end tonight, but I hope I'm wrong.
