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***Official*** New Zealand in India 2016
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hendrix
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In that case leave Anderson out and play Santner. Or drop Southee - which I agree we can't really do in India even though I'd like to.
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Dropping Wagner now would be incredibly dumb.
hendrix
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Jeet Raval debuts, as far as I'm concerned. Williamson debuted in India. It's hard but that's why you give him a long string.
NZTailender
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They'll swap Braces for Sodhi. Raval to debut I hope and get some runs against the seamers customary 8 overs before the spinners toil away.
NZTailender
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iirc the SA squad is the exact same squad for India so I doubt they'll change anything.
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Williamson debuted in a pre-nagpur2015 India though.
hendrix
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For what it's worth, Jeet Raval is not really a fush and chups Indian NZer - he's no Ish Sodhi or Jeetan Patel. He moved from Gujurat to NZ at the age of 16, not knowing any English. He's still kinda fobby to be honest.
I'm not saying that makes him automatically a good player of spin or makes it an easier place to debut, but it's not like the place is going to be a completely foreign experience.
I'm not saying that makes him automatically a good player of spin or makes it an easier place to debut, but it's not like the place is going to be a completely foreign experience.
NZTailender
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1. J Raval
2. T Latham
3. K Willidamnson*
4. The Boss
5. Spud Nicholls or Gupthell
6. BJ WPWB+
7. Pink Panther
8. I Sodhi
9. WAG
10. T Boult
11. T Southee
2. T Latham
3. K Willidamnson*
4. The Boss
5. Spud Nicholls or Gupthell
6. BJ WPWB+
7. Pink Panther
8. I Sodhi
9. WAG
10. T Boult
11. T Southee
Bahnz
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Howsie's been very vocal about his contempt for Wagner's ability, and the very idea of playing him ahead of one of the ND golden ones would probably be enough to make him physically ill. The fact that he's willing to concede that Wagner would be "slightly unlucky, I suppose" to miss out is a fair indication of how much of a slam dunk his selection is at this point.
Athlai
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I totally agree with Howsie that Wagner should not bowl ahead of Southee or Boult, they're new ball bowlers, that have been world class and have both been improving in form. But there is no reason we can't play 3 specialist quicks in India.
If Southee or Boult are to get dropped, they are competing against Bracewell/Henry for a spot, and those two are closer to displacing Southee than they are Wagner.
If Southee or Boult are to get dropped, they are competing against Bracewell/Henry for a spot, and those two are closer to displacing Southee than they are Wagner.
NZTailender
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Alternatively we shore up the weak af batting
1. J Raval
2. T Latham
3. K Williamson
4. R Taylor
5. whoeeverjustgrabsomeguyoffthestreet
6. BJ Watling+
7. J Neesham
8. M Santner
9. I Sodhi
10. N Wagner
11. T Boult
I had thought the squad for Africa was the same but they haven't announced it, so we might see some changes
1. J Raval
2. T Latham
3. K Williamson
4. R Taylor
5. whoeeverjustgrabsomeguyoffthestreet
6. BJ Watling+
7. J Neesham
8. M Santner
9. I Sodhi
10. N Wagner
11. T Boult
I had thought the squad for Africa was the same but they haven't announced it, so we might see some changes
Why can't you drop Southee in the SC? Because he took 7-for against India 4 years ago? Trust me, you can 100% drop Tim Southee. If the pitches are going to be raggy and they only want to play 2 seamers and Anderson, Southee will go - or should go. Wagner is the heart and soul of that bowling line-up. Who else is going to do the work if it's flat, perhaps reversing a bit and the spinners are getting carted? Tim Southee? Yeah...
I can't see that India are going to juice up their pitches to suit seam. So what, we play Southee for the 3-4 overs he might swing it and bowl decent areas before giving up and bowling a shower of ****? I know he bowled well in the 2nd dig but so he should've on a bloody mindfield. Wagner isn't a new ball bowler but it's not about the first morning as we found out with the toss in this last Test, it's about the view for all five or four days.
In case I get accused of similar lack of objectivity, I would drop Gup right now. They've brought Jeet into the squad, Jeet is Indian, grew up there (think he moved in his early teens) and therefore has some idea of the conditions. I'm not really aware of how he plays spin but if you're putting him in the squad, it has to be with a view to playing him. And with Gup in such shizen form, now is the time.
straw man
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Yeah if we were to play fewer than three seamers, which is probably a bad idea but worth considering depending on conditions, then Boult and Wagner are absolutely retained ahead of Southee. The person coming in would then be the extra spinner (Craig/Sodhi) or the all-rounder (Anderson), neither of whom have great test records so it would be something of a gamble.
Three left-arm seamers would make some fun rough for Ashwin though.
Three left-arm seamers would make some fun rough for Ashwin though.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Nah let's not drop him hey, his experience is probably pretty useful tbh.
I'd be dropping Bracewell first, and don't see how you can drop Tim unless we decide we're just going in with two specialist seamers, in which case you'd keep Boult and Wagner on merit, but them both being left-handers might see poor old Wagner miss out.
I'd be dropping Bracewell first, and don't see how you can drop Tim unless we decide we're just going in with two specialist seamers, in which case you'd keep Boult and Wagner on merit, but them both being left-handers might see poor old Wagner miss out.
straw man
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Don't be mean to Nicholls ok
straw man
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Yes it hangs on what the pitches are like whether this would be a hard debut for Raval or not. We have tough opposition at home this summer so that wouldn't be easy for a debut either.
I've not objected to all the rope Guptill has been given but honestly, he's always going to struggle to average more than 10 against any quality seam attack (esp. SA/ England/ Aus) and has his problems against the rest too. I love his effort, I love his fielding, hell I even love his bowling, but I think now is the time to cut Guptill loose and try the next in line. Against red-ball seam bowling that isn't below average I can't think of a worse opener in world cricket.
@Stphnbdsn - I don't like moving KW to open even for just one series. I suspect they will probably stick with Guptill though, based mainly on fairly weak (imo) arguments around pressure and experience.
