Neil Pickup
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Might not need the county games at this rate.
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***Official*** New Zealand in England series 2013
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Adders
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Not much love for Finn around here I've noticed.
Personally I agree that right now the 3rd seamer spot is wide open and there is not much at all between Finn, Bresnan and Onions. If Bressy is fully fit and back to full pace I'd take him but purely because with him in the side we have Swann at 10 and Jimmy at 11..........strongest tail in test cricket at the moment.
But we've got to accept that Finn is the future of our bowling attack and I for one am pretty excited about him. He's a young bloke and a long way off the finished article and takes his test wickets at under 30........he's only going to get better and that average will fall.
If for eg Jimmy had kept his average below 30 pre 2007/2008 before he came of age he'd have a career ave of something like 25/26 now........ which is where I see Finn headed.
I'm very comfortable with Finn in the side, I know we will occasionally get some **** performances from him for now, but I reckon by the end of his career he'll be the highest England test wicket taker.
Personally I agree that right now the 3rd seamer spot is wide open and there is not much at all between Finn, Bresnan and Onions. If Bressy is fully fit and back to full pace I'd take him but purely because with him in the side we have Swann at 10 and Jimmy at 11..........strongest tail in test cricket at the moment.
But we've got to accept that Finn is the future of our bowling attack and I for one am pretty excited about him. He's a young bloke and a long way off the finished article and takes his test wickets at under 30........he's only going to get better and that average will fall.
If for eg Jimmy had kept his average below 30 pre 2007/2008 before he came of age he'd have a career ave of something like 25/26 now........ which is where I see Finn headed.
I'm very comfortable with Finn in the side, I know we will occasionally get some **** performances from him for now, but I reckon by the end of his career he'll be the highest England test wicket taker.
Scaly piscine
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Not for much longer.
Don't give a toss about how many Test wicket he ends up with. He needs to earn his spot in the side by merit and he hasn't done that - Test cricket isn't the place for learning your game. It is holding back his development if anything.
Adders
Cricketer Of The Year
I don't disagree that he like any player needs to earn his spot and like I said I've got no problem at all if Bressy gets the nod ahead of him for the entire summer.
Just think a lot of the criticism of Finn is a bit harsh, taken 80 wickets in 20 tests at under 30. If this is what he can offer while he is learning his trade it is not a bad return for us. If the others vying for the 3rd seamers spot were likely to do significantly better than that, then play them.
As an England fan it is nice to be even having this discussion, in past years it has been a case of who the **** can fill the role. The fact that we've got 3 or 4 perfectly capable options is a great position to be in.
flibbertyjibber
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Not seen any of Roland-Jones but I presume he is "not quick enough" as there is this bizarre obsession with pace these days.
theegyptian
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Just what you need when quick runs are needed. An out of form Ravi Bopara walks to the crease. Can't see him playing for anything but himself here.
theegyptian
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i think there is a pace obsession in as much as players like davies, patterson and stevens can take 40 or 50 fc wickets in a season bowling 70mph wicket to wicket. They are never going to cause anyone any trouble with the exception of playing in england on the slow low wickets which seam and swing around a little. County cricket makes too many mediocre cricketers appear good.
TRJ is in the correct position at the moment. He had a great start to his career and had a lions callup before he was injury plagued for a couple of years. He seems fit again and taking wickets. He is back in the lions on the basis of his performances but he still has only played two seasons of first class cricket (34 fc games).
He bowls around 80mph but is tall and moves the ball off the seam rather than swinging the ball miles and is fairly metronomical. He almost certainly will play for England. But how many 80mph bowlers are succesful in international cricket? There aren't many. You need to be extremely good at what you do if you want to succeed bowling at 80mph in test cricket.
Scaly piscine
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Bopara makes double figures. Give him another dozen caps!
Scaly piscine
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Why the hell are they still batting?
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Don't give them another knock before the test. Seems fine to me.
Viscount Tom
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True removes the chance for them to bat and tires their bowlers out too. Although the latte rpoint is kind of moot given its not till Thursday.
grecian
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Difference between 79-81 mph, then getting it through at 72-74, most of those guys are tall too, so get bounce.
There really has been a lot of quite disappointing seamers on show in the County matches shown so far. Rushworth, Gidman, OHD, Rushworth, Patterson, Wagg, Riazadin, all lok average or worse.
I wasn't greatly impressed by TRJ myself, even though he's not the worst,certainly Finn the one much more likely to get Test Poles.
Overton, Wood, Topley have some promise, but nowhere near good enough yet. I'm oddly interested in Liddle as a limited-over player, reckon he could do a job.
MW1304
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Went down today, disappointing lack of action after lunch. All I can say from the small amount I saw is that Bracewell bowled a fantastic little spell in the second half of the morning, looked quick and accurate, little bit of swing as well. Bopara was batting solidly, wouldn't have guessed he was out of form. Also Jimmy Taylor doesn't look any older irl.
KungFu_Kallis
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Bahnz
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Anyone think it was an error to rest Southee and Boult against Derby? Southee, in particular, is only going to have about a dozen overs under his belt if he's fit.
Durg will presumably miss out on the lords test. Tough, as he didn't bowl badly by all accounts, but he really had to do something spectacular to push Wagner/Bartin out of the side.
Durg will presumably miss out on the lords test. Tough, as he didn't bowl badly by all accounts, but he really had to do something spectacular to push Wagner/Bartin out of the side.