*Official* New Zealand in England 2021

[Zinzan]

Who's been the bigger let down in their Test batting careers considering their natural stroke-making abilities, Broad or Southee?

 

[Immenso]

I fell asleep with us 5 down, woke up to find England batting already, I said "oh, for **** sake" , then my eyes focused on the score, 5 down.

10 wickets in one sleep cycle, flippin heck.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Who's been the bigger let down in their Test batting careers considering their natural stroke-making abilities, Broad or Southee?

Broad looks better than Southee when they're both batting "normally" imo, he should have been a legit bowling all-rounder.

 

[BeeGee]

Who's been the bigger let down in their Test batting careers considering their natural stroke-making abilities, Broad or Southee?

Broad, but I don't think either of them ever had the batting potential to become genuine all-rounders.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Watching a replay of the final session and amongst all the carnage the highlight has to be Wagner with the thumper.

 

[SteveNZ]

Who's been the bigger let down in their Test batting careers considering their natural stroke-making abilities, Broad or Southee?

I thought this when watching the highlights, well actually I pondered what sort of effect it has on Broad's team mates when he plays the big man at the bowling crease - thumping his chest, acting tough when things don't go his way etc but then comes out with the bat and is often dismissed stepping on the square leg umpire's toes. Hardly what you'd call 'leadership'. For all Southee's woes, he's never been that bad.

I know Broad got some bad blows back when, but it looks as if he's never made any attempt to overcome those.

 

[Immenso]

Btw, what is the song about that the crowd is singing all day(s)?

 

[nzfan]

I'm waiting for the fat lady to start clearing her larynx myself. Call me a paranoid cynic, but I wouldn't put it past England to jam 50 runs for the last wicket, set us 87 to win, take a few early ones & make a game of it tomorrow, as far fetched as that sounds.

No way... we're still in doubt

 

[jcas0167]

The likes of Gatting, Lamb, Atherton, Stewart and Hussain would cruise into the current team, but they only averaged in the 30's.

Hick and Ramprakash too.

 

[grecian]

Doesn't Moeen have some ridiculous stats against them at home or something

yeah about 22 apiece.

 

[Nintendo]

What is wrong with Ollie pope? Lad keeps on shitting out fc runs, but had been abysmal since that series in SA.

 

[Bahnz]

Wow

Almost the same as Sibley's last dismissal

And yes, Henry is genuinely bowling well

Ohhhh dear England

Nice stuff Henry!!!

Controversial World Test Final selection incoming lol

would almost pick him just so we can see Rohit squirming like a worm on a hook against that immaculate odi line and length.

 

[Bahnz]

hindsight is 20/20 but this was always a chance from henry. he bowled genuinely well with zero luck in his last recall vs pakistan. dropped catches all round.

so far, he's back up that glimpse of improvement.

Henry’s just doing Henry things, ie. bullying a county-standard batting lineup with the Duke.

 

[honestbharani]

I think there is some over reaction going on here in this thread. First of all, this is perhaps the greatest NZ test side and they have amazing depth. Its no shame to lose to them, especially in conditions that are rather similar to their own home conditions, even if it is a different ball. NZ batting in these conditions is a step above what Windies, any of the SC sides or even Australia currently can cobble together. And in the T20 age, there are a lot more batting collapses, that has just been a fact, even if you have a few players there who are test specialists.

England are missing, by choice, a number of first choice players too, especially in that lower middle order which is what has been bailing them out so often since 2018. NZ are currently a side who can replace their first XI players with a lot of like for like from their second team and that is not something that happens too often in world cricket and right now we seem to have two sides who can do that - India and NZ. England need to identify players and persist with them, not chop and change more. Then they will forever have this new wheel of mediocrity in their batting.

 

[Bahnz]

I thought this when watching the highlights, well actually I pondered what sort of effect it has on Broad's team mates when he plays the big man at the bowling crease - thumping his chest, acting tough when things don't go his way etc but then comes out with the bat and is often dismissed stepping on the square leg umpire's toes. Hardly what you'd call 'leadership'. For all Southee's woes, he's never been that bad.

I know Broad got some bad blows back when, but it looks as if he's never made any attempt to overcome those.

Tbf to Broad, better batsmen than he have been permanently compromised by a bad blow to the head. Bert Sutcliffe was never the same after he got hit on the head by Adcock.

 

[Bahnz]

I'm waiting for the fat lady to start clearing her larynx myself. Call me a paranoid cynic, but I wouldn't put it past England to jam 50 runs for the last wicket, set us 87 to win, take a few early ones & make a game of it tomorrow, as far fetched as that sounds.

Lol, thisis even worse than the time you grizzled about England’s last pair getting too many runs in the 56 ao test.

 

[Flem274*]

Lol, thisis even worse than the time you grizzled about England’s last pair getting too many runs in the 56 ao test.

they did. could have given them the 26

 

[SteveNZ]

Tbf to Broad, better batsmen than he have been permanently compromised by a bad blow to the head. Bert Sutcliffe was never the same after he got hit on the head by Adcock.

True, but Bert didn't have access to a helmet nor the facilities, time, coaching staff etc to get through it. Broad is getting roughed up by guys bowling 130s. It's the same mentality we used (not sure if it's used to) bemoan with Southee - the lazy wafting and lack of commitment at any stage of a game, packaged in a 'that's the way I play' mentality.

 

[Zinzan]

Lol, thisis even worse than the time you grizzled about England’s last pair getting too many runs in the 56 ao test.

A symptom of July 14, 2019.

 

[Flem274*]

who do we think lines up for the rematch next year? i'll have a go

Tom Latham
Rachin Ravindra (5)
Kane Williamson (c)
Devon Conway
Will Young
Henry Nicholls
Tom Blundell (wk)
Kyle Jamieson
Tim Southee
Ajaz Patel (Henry or Ferguson if Ravindra's spin advances faster than expected)
Trent Boult

Rory Burns
Richard Vasconcelos (I looked up people scoring runs in County and I also love this guys name. I'm on the bandwagon)
Ollie Pope
Joe Root (c)
Ben Stokes
Darren Stevens (for the meme)
Jos Buttler (wk)
Chris Woakes
Jofra Archer
Olly Stone
Jack Leach

I reckon Anderson and Broad will call it a day post-Ashes.