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*Official* New Zealand in England 2015

kiwiviktor81

International Debutant
I've posted before on how I think he will be everything or nothing in tests because unlike early Southee, early Boult, Milne or even looking abroad to early Anderson, early Broad etc he doesn't have one thing that makes him stand out. He swings it, but isn't a pure swing bowler. He has some pace, but not express, he's accurate, and he gets good bounce, but not heaps of bounce.

He's either the final piece of the puzzle or will end up disappointing imo. We're not looking at a 200 wickets at 30.34 career here. We're looking at less than 25 or over 35.
I agree on most of these points, but to me what makes Henry stand out is his accuracy. Glenn McGrath did pretty well on accuracy alone, and that's one reason why I'm so excited about Henry. Being that accurate he doesn't have to do much else with the ball.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
I've posted before on how I think he will be everything or nothing in tests because unlike early Southee, early Boult, Milne or even looking abroad to early Anderson, early Broad etc he doesn't have one thing that makes him stand out. He swings it, but isn't a pure swing bowler. He has some pace, but not express, he's accurate, and he gets good bounce, but not heaps of bounce.

He's either the final piece of the puzzle or will end up disappointing imo. We're not looking at a 200 wickets at 30.34 career here. We're looking at less than 25 or over 35.
The Aussie mullet with the double ton who might be the next Pom coach got 260 wickets at 26. I think Henry could be something similar
 

Howsie

International Captain
Neither do I really. It does seem that I'm relatively in that position within those who follow NZ cricket because I don't think he's going to be absolutely awesome, so I've positioned myself as such, for bants. :p

He actually reminds me a lot of Woakes as a bowler. I really like Woakes as a bowler, but I don't think he's going to conquer worlds and average <27.
Damn, me and you are a long way off with regards to Henry and Woakes then. I don't need to harp on about Henry but Woakes has always looked like nothing more than a glorified net bowler to me.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I've posted before on how I think he will be everything or nothing in tests because unlike early Southee, early Boult, Milne or even looking abroad to early Anderson, early Broad etc he doesn't have one thing that makes him stand out. He swings it, but isn't a pure swing bowler. He has some pace, but not express, he's accurate, and he gets good bounce, but not heaps of bounce.

He's either the final piece of the puzzle or will end up disappointing imo. We're not looking at a 200 wickets at 30.34 career here. We're looking at less than 25 or over 35.
I actually think this is a good analysis. I said very similar about Woakes before. From August last year:

It's been spoken about at length before, but I think he's almost a very good bowler in several different ways, but not quite in any of them.

There is no standout weakness about him that you can usually point to in an unsuccessful bowler to explain why he won't be successful. He's fast enough, accurate enough, gets enough bounce, bowls well enough to a plan and gets enough movement for Test level. He's got all the tools in that regard -- nothing in particular to work on to correct a flaw.

What he doesn't have though is a major strength that he can build his bowling around and get batsmen out with. He's not fast enough, accurate enough, bouncy enough etc to make any of those aspects the main feature of his bowling. As such, he'll probably look to be bowling better regularly but take less wickets than someone like Jordon who is a significantly worse bowler at lower levels but has a couple of genuine strengths to take wickets with in Tests even when he's bowling poorly overall.

It's often said that Woakes is a jack of all trades but the master of none because he's almost a Test bowler and almost a Test batsman. But I'd extend that even further to his bowling specifically -- he's almost a Test quality swing bowler, almost a Test quality fast bowler, almost a Test quality line bowler etc. I like to root for these bowlers and instinctively we think they'll be serviceable but I think in reality allround bowlers with no big strength to take wickets with are less effective than we'd imagine.

In saying all that, because he's such a rounded bowler, a small increase in overall skill could result in a exponential increase in results. Given he's a #7 standard Test batsman as well, that means he's a player England have every right to be quite interested in; he's some slight improvements away from being a huge player, if he can ever manage them.
If we take the concept of:

In saying all that, because he's such a rounded bowler, a small increase in overall skill could result in an exponential increase in results.
.. and then assert that Henry is very similar to Woakes but slightly better, that small increase in skill could result in an exponential increase in results.

I'm yet to be convinced Henry really is Woakes with a slight increase in skill all round though, and not just Woakes.
 
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Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Neither do I really. It does seem that I'm relatively in that position within those who follow NZ cricket because I don't think he's going to be absolutely awesome, so I've positioned myself as such, for bants. :p

He actually reminds me a lot of Woakes as a bowler. I really like Woakes as a bowler, but I don't think he's going to conquer worlds and average <27.
Haha, have been thinking the exact same thing.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
I agree on most of these points, but to me what makes Henry stand out is his accuracy. Glenn McGrath did pretty well on accuracy alone, and that's one reason why I'm so excited about Henry. Being that accurate he doesn't have to do much else with the ball.
no he didn't
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Ok, there was more to McGrath than just accuracy. But that was by far his main weapon.
sure, but plenty of bowlers are accurate. almost none are glenn mcgrath.

given the way he's been described here, i'll be interested as to how similar he is to vernon philander. he looked decent when i saw him in the wc but didn't really amaze me.
 

Flem274*

123/5
He gets a lot of good press from the Indian fans because he took a steaming dump on their batting on debut, then enjoyed himself in the UAE.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I see that Mark Wood is starting and that he got 66 in his last innings. What does everyone know about him?
Skiddy, swings and reverse swings it. Quite attacking and expect him to consistently hit 90mph later into his spell.

Blatantly obvious that he should take the new ball from Broad but probably won't.
 

Zinzan

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Yeah fellas ! So pumped up for this!

Weather looks absolutely fine.

Now the least we can do is win the bloody toss and have them 78/7 at lunch,... Is that asking too much?
 

Spark

Global Moderator
i like that. lord's doesn't deteriorate at all, so there's not that much advantage to be gained by batting first and you're going for the kill early.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah fellas ! So pumped up for this!

Weather looks absolutely fine.

Now the least we can do is win the bloody toss and have them 78/7 at lunch,... Is that asking too much?
By all accounts the pitch looks pretty good to bat on, so a reasonable chance that NZ will bat first if they get the chance.
 

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