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*Official* New Zealand in England 2015
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CM Punk
State Vice-Captain
Felt he played better today in the T20, or is that just me..
King Pietersen
International Captain
Just watching the highlights now, and I hope we stick with Jason Roy. He's shown flashes of superb play, but not been able to build a big score yet. It's coming though, they just need to stick with him!
Also, Joe Root is ****ing awesome.
Also, Joe Root is ****ing awesome.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
So Brendon McCullum is the new Ricky Ponting, captaincy-wise. I can see that argument.
I think his aggressive approach has been a bit 1992 WC open batting with aggressive-Greatbatch and bowling with Dipak Patel in some ways. It's worked up to a point but at some point conventional cricket, or not playing in a totally unorthodox will cause you to come undone. That said, what McCullum has done hasn't been unorthodox, just slightly against the grain in some ways, especially for New Zealand cricket. If you think of the great Australian team of the previous decade, they were pretty ****ing aggressive and I'm not just talking about what came out of their mouths. Baz has been in the job, what, between 2-3 years? He's started with disastrous defeats and has turned the side around to chalk up some pretty impressive victories. I think his job now would be to sit down with Hesson and co. before the next series of games and try and reel it back to some extent, and identify just what hasn't been working. Has what he's been doing the last 6 months perfect? No. Has he simply been presiding over guns who have been winning despite him? No. Even the opposition teams have lauded his approach. But somewhere in there he hit a good mix - and then went too far, like pouring too much gin into a glass and not enough tonic.
If he doesn't learn from this tour from both his captaincy and batting then he'll have undone a couple of years of really good and hard work, which has seen the New Zealand public become suddenly become a bit more interested in the game (which started pre-WC, it should be noted), and seen other countries want to play more like us.
I think his aggressive approach has been a bit 1992 WC open batting with aggressive-Greatbatch and bowling with Dipak Patel in some ways. It's worked up to a point but at some point conventional cricket, or not playing in a totally unorthodox will cause you to come undone. That said, what McCullum has done hasn't been unorthodox, just slightly against the grain in some ways, especially for New Zealand cricket. If you think of the great Australian team of the previous decade, they were pretty ****ing aggressive and I'm not just talking about what came out of their mouths. Baz has been in the job, what, between 2-3 years? He's started with disastrous defeats and has turned the side around to chalk up some pretty impressive victories. I think his job now would be to sit down with Hesson and co. before the next series of games and try and reel it back to some extent, and identify just what hasn't been working. Has what he's been doing the last 6 months perfect? No. Has he simply been presiding over guns who have been winning despite him? No. Even the opposition teams have lauded his approach. But somewhere in there he hit a good mix - and then went too far, like pouring too much gin into a glass and not enough tonic.
If he doesn't learn from this tour from both his captaincy and batting then he'll have undone a couple of years of really good and hard work, which has seen the New Zealand public become suddenly become a bit more interested in the game (which started pre-WC, it should be noted), and seen other countries want to play more like us.
ImpatientLime
International Regular
all this captaincy talk is masking just how garbage bmac was with the bat on this tour.
OverratedSanity
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Was decent enough in the tests.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
Well he spent the last few series in superhuman form so a comparitive failure wasn't exactly groundbreaking.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
Joe Root is in great form.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Nope, this is bull****.
Better bowling would have seen us win the first Test. Better batting would have seen us draw it. And then we probably would have drawn the second test.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
The first test was a mistake. The tail of the batting in the first innings to chasing the win on the final day.
We would have been better off not bowling England out on the final day. Cook only wanted to save it.
Second test was great.
I don't blame McCullum in the least for the poor bowling and injuries in the ODI series. But he is due ODI runs because unlike G Maxwell or his previous self, he doesn't have a second fiddle. Key word=due. Not blaming him for the ODI series but how many more series can specialist batsman average 20?
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Stuff certainly thought so, they gave him a 7/10 for the tour as a whole - when his highest score was 55 from 10 visits to the crease. Even then, was his captaincy that great? 2nd Test it probably was, but he looked lethargic throughout the limited overs stuff (and for the record, bloody fair enough - it's been a ridiculous workload for him since the start of the Kiwi summer). I think when you chuck the ball to Gup, it's almost a cry for help akin to a jilted woman posting maniacal **** on facebook.
Days of Grace
International Captain
The Herald seems obsessed with the idea that McCullum has played his last ODI. Thoughts?
Wouldn't mind seeing him rested until we play Australia.
Wouldn't mind seeing him rested until we play Australia.
Another player that's suffered the wrath of Howsie based on their geographical entering of the world?
Before I go on, I should say that a) you're entitled to your opinion and b) I don't think Brendon is our greatest captain necessarily either. But he's way better than you're giving him credit for.
The first Test was lost by far less than ruthless first innings batting when we should've forged a bigger lead, and not drawn because of poor batting again in the second, the tail especially. Brendon can take some of that wrath because his shot in the first innings was woeful. If you're saying he shouldn't always be balls to the wall, swing from the hip, I agree. That was the same to know when to rein it in.
Ross won a one-off Test in Australia where it seamed round corners, then an admittedly strong performance in Sri Lanka. Hats off to him, he scored vital runs in both. But the overall performances were up and down like nothing you've seen before. It's churlish to suggest Brendon's leadership hasn't instilled a much stronger belief, consistency of performance and desire to win Tests, not simply to not be beaten.
Yes he goes too far sometimes. You know what? Blame John Wright. Brendon should've been captain from the day Dan stepped down, and he could've knocked the edges off his leadership style by now. But by the time he gets to that point, he'll be retired. Ross' appointment was wrong from the day it happened, a conservative call from a conservative coach who couldn't afford to be with a languishing side. Ross deserves his place as one of NZ's great batsmen but his body language, willingness to take a game on and general communication were terrible, and all things Baz does very, very well. Don't underestimate the continued rise in the likes of Boult, Anderson, Craig, Henry etc (not so much Williamson and Southee) and what part Brendon's backing of them did. You and I both know we wouldn't have got to where we did in the World Cup under Ross, as well.
I know Kane is your golden boy and you'll see a marked difference in the two of them, I'll tell you now. I'm not saying Kane won't be a successful captain but he's never left anything to chance in his life. Then you might get a better appreciation of who Baz was as a leader as a whole and as an on-field tactician.
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Nope, he'll play the Chappell Hadlees as a swansong in front of his home crowd. Take it to the bank. Won't tour SA/Zim, back for the Aussies Tests then the rest of the summer.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
We didn't ever really chase the win though. The only possible dismissal that was a "chase the win" dismissal was Guptill's push drive in the first over that lead to him being caught in the slips. Other than that, England skittled the rest of our top-order before any of them got the chance to throw their wickets away through aggressive batting. You could argue that we should've let Cook bat England to a draw on day 5, but then again 340 off 75 overs really isn't as outlandish as all that given that we achieved it twice in the 2nd test. So yeah you could argue that agressive captaincy cost us the first test - but equally it won us the second one - racing along at 5 rpo and packing the slips cordon to allow us to beat England effectively inside 4 days.
Niall
International Coach
Tests are my favourite format, but would it not be easier on him to drop that format? I dunno, after Australia, is their any juicy tests coming up? You don't play England for ages, are South Africa on the horizon?
Surely he would be tempted to try and hang on for the champions trophy in 2 years or is that asking to much of his body?
JediNudist
U19 Debutant
I want Macca to continue as Captain. NZ has played a conservative style of cricket for years and it had never worked.b We have our best seam attack since the 80s with Trent Boult in the top 5 and Southee in the top 10. NZ won a test for the first time since 1999 . Scew the ODIs. Play so many ODI series a year Im sick of them,. NZ needs more tests.
The worthies on Stuff are calling for Macca immediate resignation as captain LOL calling the whole tour a failure due to Lords and losing the ODI series . NZ was down to a C selection bowling attack due to injuries outside of Maccas control. I thought Macca batted ok for the tests. People are having a grope at his batting but his whole tactic is to get NZ off to a flying start regardless of the score. ODIs are about partnerships and scoring fast more than getting centuries. Apart from the first ODI , NZ got 398 , chased 307 , got 350 and got 283 which is still a good score. Batting was fine.
I for one are happy at NZs attitude. Playing defensive , NZ loses.
The worthies on Stuff are calling for Macca immediate resignation as captain LOL calling the whole tour a failure due to Lords and losing the ODI series . NZ was down to a C selection bowling attack due to injuries outside of Maccas control. I thought Macca batted ok for the tests. People are having a grope at his batting but his whole tactic is to get NZ off to a flying start regardless of the score. ODIs are about partnerships and scoring fast more than getting centuries. Apart from the first ODI , NZ got 398 , chased 307 , got 350 and got 283 which is still a good score. Batting was fine.
I for one are happy at NZs attitude. Playing defensive , NZ loses.
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Australia home and away, SA away, India away - all the biggest challenges anyone can face. The person Baz is, he'll want to be a part of those tours.
kiwiviktor81
International Debutant
McCullum takes a lot of gambles, but that's what you have to do when you're a weaker team than the ones you're measuring yourselves against. Right now we're measuring ourselves to Aussie and SA, and they're probably stronger than us so we need to gamble a bit not to get ground out.
Williamson might have a more conservative style of captaincy, but he might be able to get away with it on account of having a stronger team than McCullum. I have no doubt that, as good as the BCs have become, they will be much stronger in 4-5 years time.
Williamson might have a more conservative style of captaincy, but he might be able to get away with it on account of having a stronger team than McCullum. I have no doubt that, as good as the BCs have become, they will be much stronger in 4-5 years time.
Zinzan
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Yeah agree with others, he won't miss the Hadlee/Chap except for injury