*Official* New Zealand in Bangladesh Thread

[Mingster]

My ODI XII for Australia:

1 Fleming, 2 Astle, 3 Marshall, 4 Styris, 5 Taylor, 6 McCullum+, 7 Cairns, 8 Oram, 9 Vettori, 10 Bond, 11 Tuffey/Butler

Of course, the 6-8 batsmen can all change their positions depending on the situation. But I would really like to see McCullum up the order more instead of being wasted down at 9.

 

[anzac]

But he should bat higher than 8/9 in ODIs. McCullum should definitely bat ahead of Harris in the order.

hell I wouldn't have Harris in the team unless it was a slow pitch & there was a chance the ball would hold up...............

but agreed - I'd rather see McCullum bat up the order - not sure about Taylor as yet (esp v AUS), but your ODI selection looks pretty good - I presume Butler comes in if Bond is n/a???????

 

[anzac]

Geez, this is hard!! I guess this would be something like my squad...

Fleming
Richardson
Styris
Marshall
Astle
Fulton
Sinclair

McCullum

Oram
Vettori
Franklin
Butler
C Martin
Sherlock (not going to happen in reality - Bracewell will pick Mills and/or Tuffey)

yeah and unfortunately there's practically bugger all chance of Sinclair / Fulton getting into the squad unless there are injuries - I'm pretty certain they'll have a fairly established / conservative selection for that squad.........

I just hope they can continue to score runs domestically to have a shot at the RSA Tour.................

 

[Mingster]

Well, let's put it this way, I would rather have Ross Taylor or Matthew Sinclair or Peter Fulton in ODIs than Craig McMillan. McMillan has failed in ODIs consistently, his thrash about people not treating him right is ********. Look at your own ODI record son - with an average of 26 over such a long period of time, people should criticise you.

Maybe Taylor won't be blooded for the away Aussie Tour, but I would definitely consider him for the National Bank series, hopefully with some State Shield cricket under his belt.

 

[Macka]

Not ready for international cricket is Papps? I guess his ODI record is testamental to that then?

I guess I was more talking about tests. I just don't think he is a good enough starter to be opening in tests. I don't think he gets quite far enough forward and tends to get thick edges on the ball a lot at the begining of his innings.

He did well in the ODIs against SA but in reality he won't get a look into the team unless Astle or Fleming get injured.

I read an article on the NZHerald website that said Fleming wanted to open in tests, that was interesting.

I would like to see Sinclair at #4 in the ODI side, and perhaps Styris at #5. I think that would be better for the team than MacMillan.

 

[lord_of_darkness]

Hello to all the other fellow kiwis on board here..new and old .. good to see we are growing ..

Did i hear the name Sinclair? time after time i have said , he has been given his opportunities and he hasnt made the best use of it.. so i feel he should really be left out and the opportunity given to someone young eg Taylor .. which would only be good for our future..

 

[Mingster]

Ross Taylor is not ready, definitely not for Tests.

If Sinclair is piling on the runs, you would be a stupid man not to pick him. Who cares about future? We have a 5-Test series against Aussie. We should focus on the present first and foremost.

 

[anzac]

as much as I hate to say it for the likes of Papps / How etc, I don't have a problem with Fleming opening in Tests based upon what he did in ENG...........

my main concerns with him as opener in either form of the game is how it affects the balance of the top & middle orders - the side needs someone solid at #3 who can do a job like Kirsten did for RSA...........as Marshall does for the ODI side...........

currently that would be someone like Sinclair, with Fulton as a future candidate...........alternatively perhaps Astle re his ODI experience.....

I'm loath to suggest Marshall straight off, so I guess another alternative would be McCullum, but he only opened in domestic cricket for last season didn't he???????? I'd prefer a player used to regularly facing the new ball / opening attack.............

 

[Macka]

Yeah Taylor isn't ready yet. I would like to see him have another season of domestic cricket. He will be playing against South Africa A on Wednesday, so that should be interesting.

Sinclair isn't that old, I think he is getting much better each year personally. Most of the Aussies are around 30, and some are back in the team after failing at first. Sinclair has shown he can score hundreds, and big ones, which NZ batsman haven't really shown they can do.

The top order is always a worry. I just can't understand why we select a squad with a lack of top order batsman.

 

[Mingster]

...same. I would have thought this would have been a perfect opportunity to blood players and experiment before the big one at the end of the year.

 

[Mingster]

Where's Tim anyway?

 

[anzac]

just another point re Sinclair's lack of foot movement early in his innings - I'd probably look to play him at #4, behind Fleming, followed by Styris & Astle with 6 specialist batsmen - particularly if Astle is to bowl again.........still gives us 6 bowling options...........

the main proviso is that we have wicket takers amongst the 4 specialist bowlers (two of whom would be Oram & Vettori).............leaving the likes of Butler, Franklin, C Martin, Tuffey (Mills & Sherlock) to fight it out..........

 

[Kent]

Where's Tim anyway?

I haven't read any posts by Tim for a while, but I see from his profile that he was having a look around last Friday. Probably just on holiday somewhere.

 

[Mingster]

Oh thanks Kent.

I'm not sure with Styris at 4 either, seems abit early for him. Better at 5 for Tests.

 

[Macka]

Well #4 is where a few teams bat their best batsman...

 

[Mingster]

...and Styris is definitely not our best batsman...

 

[anzac]

didn't the theory used to be that your best stroke makers batted at #3 &/or #4???????????

so wouldn't that be Fleming & Astle in the current squad??????

should we be looking to change the order v BAN to see how the partnerships developed etc..............Richardson, Fleming, Sinclair, Astle, Styris, McCullum, Oram, Vettori, Franklin, Butler, Tuffey / Martin............or Richardson, Papps, Fleming, Sinclair, Styris, Astle, Oram, McCullum, Vettori, Franklin, Butler...........

 

[Macka]

...and Styris is definitely not our best batsman...

I wasn't talking about him.

 

[Kent]

This article raises a few questions.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3053021a10133,00.html

Vettori tipped for Black Caps captaincy
04 October 2004
By JONATHAN MILLMOW

Daniel Vettori is in line to be named New Zealand one-day cricket captain on Wednesday for the series against Bangladesh.


The 25-year-old's dramatic promotion to the top job, albeit temporary, would be to safeguard regular skipper Stephen Fleming against aggravating his abdominal strain before the end-of-year tour to Australia.

Black Caps coach John Bracewell declined to comment last night but a source said the left-arm spinner had been shoulder-tapped in recent days and would take the one-day reins after the two tests against Bangladesh.

Fleming has already been confirmed as captain for the tests but he is then tipped to return home rather than risk injury on the rock hard grounds of the subcontintent.

The test series against Bangladesh starts in Dhaka on October 17, and a three-match one-day series against the international cricket lightweights begins in Chittagong on November 2.

Vettori appears to have pipped allrounders Chris Cairns and Jacob Oram for the role, and Craig McMillan might also have come up in discussions.

Cairns led the side on the goodwill tour to Pakistan last year but his body makes him a walking timebomb, while Oram, though having captaincy written all over him, has said that he wants to focus on his game.

McMillan is regarded as tactically very sound and is a former youth team captain, but his batting form in the past 24 months means he is no longer guaranteed a place in the side.

It will mark another fairytale chapter in Vettori's career. He became New Zealand's youngest test cricketer when he debuted against England in Wellington in 1996-97 aged just 18 years and 10 days.

He was also the youngest spinner to take 100 test wickets.

Vettori may be light on captaincy experience but he is a thinking cricketer, he has the undoubted respect of his teammates and his position in the side is safe following a return to form with the ball during the recent one-day series in England.

It's not just how you think Vettori would go as captain, but who would you replace Fleming with in the squad?

Taylor has let me down a bit on the tour of SA, and Sinclair won't really gain much from being in a BC squad if he's only there to watch Papps open with Astle.

In spite of Ashley Ross' brain fade, I'd actually lean towards rewarding Fulton.

 

[Rich2001]

Going back abit but when the New Zealand side was in England upto the last mintue Fleming was planning to sit out the One Dayers... who was there to replace him that time?

But I think your right in looking towards blooding the youth against teams like Bangladesh, can only be a good thing.