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***Official*** New Zealand in Bangladesh & Sri Lanka 2013

straw man

straw man

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Flem274* said:
I think even in Martin's potential absence Sodhi and Anderson may live or die together, since imo it's a huge risk to play a wrist spinner as raw as Sodhi in a four man attack.
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Yes and this holds in the future too. Even moreso, if Sodhi is left out for a four-paceman attack then Anderson's bowling (as fifth paceman) is no longer valuable to the side and he must justify a place purely as a batsman.
 
Maximas

Maximas

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Will Vettori actually make a proper comeback or will he bowl well in an ODI or 2, field like an old man and then be off again?
 
Kippax

Kippax

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Even for Vettori you'd presume there's a certain nursery freshness to the thought of a World Cup at home. Sounds like he wouldn't have had the operation otherwise.

Cricket | Vettori has Achilles surgery to prolong... | Stuff.co.nz


SteveNZ said:
Wasn't sure I'd be amongst friends on that Watling opinion, there you go. Crazy if so, Watling has saved the bacon of Hesson and Wright before him on more than one occasion. He's exactly the sort of cricketer we require - good team man, will work hard until the day he hangs up his gloves and pads, sells his wicket dearly etc etc. Can't imagine how that wouldn't appeal to any coach
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Just the lack of a back-foot game probably. Hesson a couple of times on the Ronchi pick for the Champions Trophy, "plays off both feet".

Hesson had no interest in nuance. He asked the class why there's always been conflict in the Middle East and Kippax raised his hand and said, "It's a centuries-old religious conflict involving land and suspicion and culture. "Wrong," Hesson said. "It's because it's incredibly hot and there's no water.
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They also hadn't paired up the appropriate turf science with their cricketers' prevailing skill sets, didn't investigate the brand of cricket balls they would be using on tour, and lacked Merlyn spin bowling machines.
 
Immenso

Immenso

International Vice-Captain
NZ all time Test Bowling away from home: (by average, min 1000 balls)
Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Of current players:
Boult 6th, Southee 10th, Vettori 17th ( 2 are absent for this tour, so some slack for Hesson and McCullum there – although main reason to cut some slack is Bangladesh look quite good now, at home)

Bracewell has only played 4 tests at home and 13 away.

Very small sample size, so probably not significant – but Wagner’s away average compared to home average is almost 20 runs higher ..... and I think we can put a lot of that down to who he played, and what stage of his career.
(Historical fun fact - Hadlee had a better away record than home record)



NZ all time Test Batting away from home (by average, min 10 innings)
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Taylor 13th (but significantly worse than his career or home average), Brownlie 20th.
 
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Immenso

Immenso

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NZTailender

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I can't believe I ate the whole thing
So our best touring XI?


1. B Sutcliffe
2. G Turner
3. S Fleming
4. M Crowe
5. M Donnelly
6. B McCullum+
7. R Hadlee
8. D Vettori
9. B Taylor
10. S Bond
11. J Cowie
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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Instead of wasting a slot on a specialist spinner when J.R. Reid is in the team I select Bruce Taylor for my New Zealand all time side every time.
 
Mike5181

Mike5181

International Captain
I wonder how many of our current test/first-class players will push for a spot in our all-time test XI one day. Taylor's already in the discussion for a middle-order spot. Williamson perhaps.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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I was thinking about that earlier. I'll go out on a limb and say in 20 years time mine will be

Turner
Dempster
Williamson
Crowe
Taylor
J.R. Reid
McCullum (wk)
Hadlee
Southee
Milne
Boult

At first glance it looks very optimistic but imo Taylor is almost there, KW will make it if he averages 40+ due to the amount of tests he will play and I currently have Bond and Cowie in my eleven and so do many others, and they barely have 20 tests between them. If you get to 200+ wickets at an average under 30 then you're a very good chance. We simply couldn't keep bowlers fit from 1990 to now and back when we could we played a lot less tests, so Collinge, Taylor etc never took the poles they may have today.

Even if someone like a Milne gets to 150 in an injury riddled career at say an average of 27, he's pushing Bond hard.
 
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Hurricane

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Good question
I don't think Southee will because of his slow start he will do well to get his average down to 30. And that won't compare well.
Are we counting Dan? Him for sure as spinner.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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Southee's average has plummeted recently. He's always in with a chance for a very big haul at home due to favourable conditions and I don't think he had as long a period of prolonged mediocrity as Anderson, and he snapped out of it at a younger age. He's a decent shot at finishing with an average below 30.

I do wonder what we may think of Anderson now had he got his act together a bit faster.
 
Hurricane

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Flem274* said:
Southee's average has plummeted recently. He's always in with a chance for a very big haul at home due to favourable conditions and I don't think he had as long a period of prolonged mediocrity as Anderson, and he snapped out of it at a younger age. He's a decent shot at finishing with an average below 30.

I do wonder what we may think of Anderson now had he got his act together a bit faster.
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If he bowls at 25 for the next 30 tests he will just sneak under 30. so its possible but it will be a bloody good effort.
 
Mike5181

Mike5181

International Captain
Ryder probably has the talent but as we've seen in the last few years, he's got issues. He's not that young at 29 either, especially with his injury record. I don't see him being a test cricketer in 4-5 years, so he really has to turn it around quite quickly. I hope I'm wrong though.

I doubt I'll ever rate Southee/Boult above Bond.
 
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