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*Official* New Zealand in Australia 2019/20
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morgieb
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Kinda, but I feel that this Test is different to that one. The target was smaller at Adelaide and the collapse more "normal" (getting out to Anderson/Woakes hooping it like a banana rather than not being able to pick Southee/Wagner short stuff). At the risk of looking like a clown too I feel like New Zealand won't have the same kind of momentum that England did (late Day 4 they actually looked like they had a real chance before that Cummins brute to Root (IIRC))
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Random crapinfo commenter:
[FONT="]Grubb: "@Hayden - agree mate, but NZ is the No2 side in the world, coming to Australia with no warm up games, going from 22 degree heat to 40, going from red ball to pink - and Aussie funnily enough having played a pink ball game last test - and our administrators agree to put our players into that situation. It's weighted in favour of the home side, and Aussies need no weighting at home. We bend over backwards to accommodate Australia, and then set our players up to lose? Mate, Kohli wouldn't have it. "[/FONT]
[FONT="]Happened around 44th over in Aussie 2nd innings.
He is not wrong. NZC should have done better for its team.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Grubb: "@Hayden - agree mate, but NZ is the No2 side in the world, coming to Australia with no warm up games, going from 22 degree heat to 40, going from red ball to pink - and Aussie funnily enough having played a pink ball game last test - and our administrators agree to put our players into that situation. It's weighted in favour of the home side, and Aussies need no weighting at home. We bend over backwards to accommodate Australia, and then set our players up to lose? Mate, Kohli wouldn't have it. "[/FONT]
[FONT="]Happened around 44th over in Aussie 2nd innings.
He is not wrong. NZC should have done better for its team.[/FONT]
Jezroy
State Captain
TBF to NZC, they probably thought that 2 tests against England would have been a better warm up than what they could have potentially been thrown in Australia. Remember 500/1 last time? Finch makes a million. Latham and McCullum bowling before the match gets called off?
Problem is that they appear to have made Roadie McRoads to bat on at The Mount and Hamilton. Even if they’d had some sort of internal squad game for two days/nights with a pink ball? They did that before the England pink ball test IIRC.
Jezroy
State Captain
Just watching the highlights now... we’re going to do well to get 250 on this, let alone 450. So we take what we can from this test, and set ourselves up for the next 2.
We probably won’t bat long enough in the 2nd innings/the MCG test is far enough away to wear down Starc and Cummins for the next couple of tests.
But we have learnt that Southee is still important to this team. My preference for this test was to get Ferguson in for Southee. I was wrong. He’s proving that his improvement in test cricket isn’t just limited to home conditions.
Boult should be good to go at the MCG. Hoping beyond hope that Jeet gets some runs/time in the middle second time round in Perth.
And just wish that we had Somerville or Patel there to be our spinner :-( still not keen on Astle but he’s in the squad...
Ideal team for the MCG for mine...
Latham
Raval (give him one more go/what other option do they have?)
Williamson
Taylor
Nicholls
BJ
CDG
Southee
Somers
Wagner
Boult
But of course, Santner will play at the MCG. I get what they are trying to do with him/giving him a chance to find his groove in test cricket. But I just don’t think he adds much to the really good attack we have Boult/Southee/Wagner/CDG. I think those guys are economical enough for the spin option to be the aggressive/slightly expensive if necessary one. We don’t just need a spinner who will keep it tight! It’s such a pressure release for the opposition to know that they’ll likely not get out to our spinner, where it looks like theory is that if the spinner is economical then that builds pressure for the other bowlers. It’s not working.
As far as Jeet goes, do they do something MAD and open with Nicholls/bring in Blundell?
Or open with Astle...?
A lot of people talking about Young being the replacement, but is he REALLY a long term opening option?
We probably won’t bat long enough in the 2nd innings/the MCG test is far enough away to wear down Starc and Cummins for the next couple of tests.
But we have learnt that Southee is still important to this team. My preference for this test was to get Ferguson in for Southee. I was wrong. He’s proving that his improvement in test cricket isn’t just limited to home conditions.
Boult should be good to go at the MCG. Hoping beyond hope that Jeet gets some runs/time in the middle second time round in Perth.
And just wish that we had Somerville or Patel there to be our spinner :-( still not keen on Astle but he’s in the squad...
Ideal team for the MCG for mine...
Latham
Raval (give him one more go/what other option do they have?)
Williamson
Taylor
Nicholls
BJ
CDG
Southee
Somers
Wagner
Boult
But of course, Santner will play at the MCG. I get what they are trying to do with him/giving him a chance to find his groove in test cricket. But I just don’t think he adds much to the really good attack we have Boult/Southee/Wagner/CDG. I think those guys are economical enough for the spin option to be the aggressive/slightly expensive if necessary one. We don’t just need a spinner who will keep it tight! It’s such a pressure release for the opposition to know that they’ll likely not get out to our spinner, where it looks like theory is that if the spinner is economical then that builds pressure for the other bowlers. It’s not working.
As far as Jeet goes, do they do something MAD and open with Nicholls/bring in Blundell?
Or open with Astle...?
A lot of people talking about Young being the replacement, but is he REALLY a long term opening option?
Howsie
International Captain
Yeah look, I wasn’t a fan of the Santner selection for this tour either, we all knew he wouldn’t take wickets over here. Add in he will struggle against the pace and bounce with the bat it just didn’t have much going for it.
But, the continued selection of Jeet Raval is the biggest mess up. The guy is completely shot, he hasn’t scored a run in any form of cricket for months and just doesn’t look like he wants to be there now. He played the ball against Hazelwood like you’d expect to see a number 11 play it. He’s cooked
But, the continued selection of Jeet Raval is the biggest mess up. The guy is completely shot, he hasn’t scored a run in any form of cricket for months and just doesn’t look like he wants to be there now. He played the ball against Hazelwood like you’d expect to see a number 11 play it. He’s cooked
Grasshopper
State Vice-Captain
Raval has to go. Bring Blundell in to open with Latham. Time for some Tom Tom Club.
Lol-santner is 10000x worse selection than Raval.
We don't really have options to replace raval. We have at least 3 better test spinners than santner , the most hilarious thing is his test economy isn't that good and he can't even slow the run rate despite that being his only aim.
His batting outside of dead tracks is also not of a good number 8.
If we cant go outside this squad then just let raval and kane bowl his overs.
Grasshopper
State Vice-Captain
Santa scored twice as many runs as Jeet in the first innings, so maybe they should just swap positions?
Cricket Australia dangled the Boxing Day carrot and we willingly obliged to whatever else they wanted.
I dont see any culpability on NZCs part. What they meant to do?
GoodAreasShane
Cricketer Of The Year
I've said it before, but Smith not enforcing the follow on in that Adelaide Ashes test was one of the most gormless bits of captaincy I have ever seen. Anyone with even the slightest skerrick of knowledge of pink ball cricket could have seen the ball was going to h00p around, could have put them in and taken a few poles but Smith completely **** the bed on that one and made the game far closer than it ever needed to be.
Terrible thinking
Terrible thinking
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Play a warm up game, under lights, at the WACA.
Thet will play a FC game next week I guess the fixturing is built around the BBL launching next week.
Will play some sort of game against some Victorians, not in any of the 8 BBL squads, no word on its FC status or not it.
Would still have gotten well beaten though, but it would be nice to their fans (and their future fixtures prospects) if they occasionally took their prep seriously.
Flem274*
123/5
i don't see the point in getting angsty tbh, nz could win 3-0 in india and england before touring australia and this or worse would still happen. just the way it is. some of it is mental, some technical. we're probably the world #4 in australian conditions but still the deserving overall #2 team because we're better than everyone except india at the other tours.
the schedule this summer was already tight, so i actually understand no warm up in this case since we crammed england in and tbh we expected that 12 months ago to be an actual test and not center wicket practice against a team spitting the dummy.
i didn't see a ball yesterday because i was busy but i listened to abc when i could. i like the plan of smash lyon to force them to overbowl the other 2 but once it was apparent he was on the money we probably should have switched to the attritional game that has worked for us against everyone else when we're losing.
really stoked to see southee taking wickets in australia. i didn't think he had this in him. i know he's tall but he's lost a lot of pace and carry (compare this summer to him bouncing sangakkara on a motorway for fun in 2012) and he's probably the slowest bowler to succeed in australia for a very very long time.
the schedule this summer was already tight, so i actually understand no warm up in this case since we crammed england in and tbh we expected that 12 months ago to be an actual test and not center wicket practice against a team spitting the dummy.
i didn't see a ball yesterday because i was busy but i listened to abc when i could. i like the plan of smash lyon to force them to overbowl the other 2 but once it was apparent he was on the money we probably should have switched to the attritional game that has worked for us against everyone else when we're losing.
really stoked to see southee taking wickets in australia. i didn't think he had this in him. i know he's tall but he's lost a lot of pace and carry (compare this summer to him bouncing sangakkara on a motorway for fun in 2012) and he's probably the slowest bowler to succeed in australia for a very very long time.
Flem274*
123/5
i've been saying this for years. unless they're completely written off (hobart, 2001) then they leave everyone disappointed on this tour. brisbane 2015 is the worst they've played (relative to expectation) in my time watching cricket.
the bowlers have more than shown up here, santa excluded. no one should question southee, wagner and cdg in this test. the middle order can't do everything every innings for the batsmen against world class bowlers though, they need some help from the openers.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Excellent work by Southee and Wagner - really surprised to see Australia lost 4 more wickets after I went to bed last night.
Southee in particular has surprised everyone. I also wonder if he is responding better to Williamson's captaincy and plans than he did to McCullum's - they're still trying things to get wickets, but within a narrower set of parameters than McCullum might have tried, and all based on building up pressure with dots, accuracy and subtle variation aimed at whatever slight weakness a batsman might have.
There's enough in the pitch and the bowling attack that batting five sessions to save the match is extremely unlikely. But want to see some good resistance nonetheless.
Southee in particular has surprised everyone. I also wonder if he is responding better to Williamson's captaincy and plans than he did to McCullum's - they're still trying things to get wickets, but within a narrower set of parameters than McCullum might have tried, and all based on building up pressure with dots, accuracy and subtle variation aimed at whatever slight weakness a batsman might have.
There's enough in the pitch and the bowling attack that batting five sessions to save the match is extremely unlikely. But want to see some good resistance nonetheless.
