**Official** New Zealand in Australia 2015

[Athlai]

I'd say it started earlier than that, more like from 2005 imo.

I'd say he was a genuine allrounder in that sort of period. By 2008 he was more of a batsman than a bowler.

 

[Bahnz]

I'd say he was a genuine allrounder in that sort of period. By 2008 he was more of a batsman than a bowler.

Eh, you gotta remember that he really feasted on Bangladesh and Zim during those years. His record from 2005-2007 when you remove Zimbang is basically averaging 40 with bat and ball.

 

[hendrix]

I'd say he was a genuine allrounder in that sort of period. By 2008 he was more of a batsman than a bowler.

Eh, you gotta remember that he really feasted on Bangladesh and Zim during those years. His record from 2005-2007 when you remove Zimbang is basically averaging 40 with bat and ball.

Gotta be a bit more revisionist Bahnz.

Excellent economy on NZ pitches (no mean feat) and abroad with very little consistent support and pre-DRS when umpires basically didn't give front foot LBWs (his primary mode of dismissal).

It was also a period when the SC teams erred on the side of batting paradises as opposed to dustbowls, and they all had ridiculously powerful batting lineups.

Given that he was basically a better version of Jadeja and could use drift, reckon he'd be pretty lethal in 2015.

 

[Zinzan]

I'd say it started earlier than that, more like from 2005 imo.

Yup, even the 03/04 season when he scored that 137* against Pakistan was about the time.

 

[Howe_zat]

I'd say he was a genuine allrounder in that sort of period. By 2008 he was more of a batsman than a bowler.

bowled miles better than he batted on the 2008 tour here

 

[Athlai]

Gotta be a bit more revisionist Bahnz.

Excellent economy on NZ pitches (no mean feat) and abroad with very little consistent support and pre-DRS when umpires basically didn't give front foot LBWs (his primary mode of dismissal).

It was also a period when the SC teams erred on the side of batting paradises as opposed to dustbowls, and they all had ridiculously powerful batting lineups.

Given that he was basically a better version of Jadeja and could use drift, reckon he'd be pretty lethal in 2015.

I use similar logic to defend Jeets.

 

[hendrix]

Pretty lethal late-career Vettori here. Also peak beard/haircut (in the test, not the interview). Dat drift to get Bell

 

[hendrix]

actually he bowled really well that whole tour

 

[Bahnz]

It's frickin' England though, he would've faced a bigger challenge against the Bangerz.

 

[Skyliner]

Lovely how the discussion evolved from finding other examples of players who were awesome in ODI's yet comparatively crap in test cricket to the exact moment that Dan Vettori could be considered a genuine test allrounder.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah Bevan not a good example at all. Had he got an regular opportunity in Tests from 1998-2003 period I have little doubt he would have averaged 50+ with the bat over a career.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

yeah, but he didn't.

 

[hendrix]

Can't believe we forgot about Shane Watson.

ATG ODI player. Pretty decent but nothing special test player.

 

[TheJediBrah]

yeah, but he didn't.

Hmm, discussion was about players who were very good at ODI cricket and not good at Test cricket though, not about players who were very good at ODI cricket and had limited opportunity in Test cricket early in their career and as a result have ordinary statistics. Shouldn't have to explain that tbh.

Shane Watson a very good example.

 

[Noble One]

You could make a pretty decent thread in discussing the greatest discrepancy between ODI vs Test career.

Without much thought, Dhoni, Bevan, Mills, Afridi, Jadeja, Symonds, Yuvraj, Chris Harris, Agarkar, Watson, Hick, Lee, Raina, Morgan, Bracken, Mortaza, Knight, Razzaq, Guptill, Dippenaar, Hogg and McKay amongst others all make reasonable arguments.

 

[BeeGee]

You could make a pretty decent thread in discussing the greatest discrepancy between ODI vs Test career.

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/59858-players-who-exceptional-one-format-dire-another.html

 

[Black_Warrior]

Can't believe we forgot about Shane Watson.

ATG ODI player. Pretty decent but nothing special test player.

You know Watson has become such a joke, it's hard to make any case for him but I used to rate him as a test batsman and I feel that he didn't quite achieve the levels he should have.

He became regular from 09 onwards and I remember he was relatively the more successful one compared to the rest of the Australian team back then. He scored runs against Amir and Asif when rest of the Australian batting was struggling, he got a hundred in India in 2010 when again rest of the team was clueless, and the Ashes 2010, once again he looked most solid as the rest of the team perished. I am not about to make a case for Watson and his records and performances since then are for all to see..

I just feel sad when I see a player who in my view has potential end up like this.

 

[mr_mister]

when you say Afridi Noble 1 are you referring to his bowling? because his batting was still at a pretty respectable average for a test all-rounder

 

[mr_mister]

can you kiwis englighten on me on why Twose was a legend in one form and sucky in another

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Hmm, discussion was about players who were very good at ODI cricket and not good at Test cricket though, not about players who were very good at ODI cricket and had limited opportunity in Test cricket early in their career and as a result have ordinary statistics. Shouldn't have to explain that tbh.

Shane Watson a very good example.

yeah, but he didn't get picked and performed averagely in the games he did play. It's entirely your opinion that he could've done better because all we have to go by is what he actually did.