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**Official** New Zealand in Australia 2015

wellAlbidarned

International Coach
I don't feel like mccullum will ever be able to consistently bat in any kind of intermediate gear. If he attacks, his mind needs to be made up before the ball is bowled. Same if he's stonewalling. He's never been very good at the "play the ball on its merits" game because he doesn't have that ability to change his shot. Baz should just do what he does and if it doesn't work for the next couple of series it's time to call it a day.
 

Moss

International Captain
I don't feel like mccullum will ever be able to consistently bat in any kind of intermediate gear. If he attacks, his mind needs to be made up before the ball is bowled. Same if he's stonewalling. He's never been very good at the "play the ball on its merits" game because he doesn't have that ability to change his shot. Baz should just do what he does and if it doesn't work for the next couple of series it's time to call it a day.
He seemed to have improved on that in the last couple of seasons. But ever since the double century in the UAE (and particularly through the World Cup) he seems to have gone completely into slogging mode. Basically, taking the "express yourself" thingy too seriously. That second innings in Leeds showed he is still capable of a judicious innings when he puts his mind to it, but his urge to make a statement every time he goes out to bat is spoiling things.
 

Moss

International Captain
I think a lot of our stupidly excessively attacking has come into our game since the Sharjah 'Phil Hughes' game. Obviously as a performance statistically it would be one of NZ's greatest ever test matches, even though it was such a morbid occasion. In that game with bat and ball we just attacked all the time and even since then (McCullum in Hagley Oval test, the WC, England, Australia etc) we have turned into sloggers and gone searching for wickets (the latter perhaps driven by world cup success). The players talked about the fact that they wanted to return to playing cricket for enjoyment as they did as kids and that the whole mourning process was cathartic and played a role in continuing to shape how they wanted to be as a team. It is interesting because prior to that in the home series against India Baz had been soooooooooooooooooo responsible with the bat and we kept fighting with the old ball (Wagner). That continued in the West Indies where we scored slow and grinding runs and Southee looked McGrathesque in his bowling disciplines even though Craig still went for heaps, and then early in the UAE where Latham looked like Mark Richardson. I like the idea of attacking cricket, but we often play stupid, low percentage cricket & there is a big difference.
Yes, this is exactly how I see it. During the course of 2014, the "aggression" was mainly in the form of positive declarations (Bridgetown, Dubai and against the Lankans at Wellington) and some good field placings. In fact, during Pakistan's back-to-back series against Australia and NZ, it was widely noted that the kiwis benefited from not emulating Australia's force-the-pace approach.
 

Gob

International Coach
Why can't BMAC open ahead of the noted diver Gotpills and someone like Brownile bat at 5?

I've said this before i hate to have BMAC type batsmen from 3 to 5
 

Moss

International Captain
Why can't BMAC open ahead of the noted diver Gotpills and someone like Brownile bat at 5?

I've said this before i hate to have BMAC type batsmen from 3 to 5
Did think of this, and might be worth considering for the return series if the opening puzzle is not solved (and yeah another McCullum vs Starc showdown, well it won't be boring).

Thing is, it would be a short-term option at best. It's anybody's guess when McCullum decides his back has had enough and quits test cricket.
 

kiwiviktor81

International Debutant
1. Latham
2. McCullum
3. Williamson
4. Taylor
5. Santner
6. Anderson
7. Watling
8. Bracewell
9. Southee
10. Henry
11. Boult

I'd like to see this team at least once
 

kiwiviktor81

International Debutant
Gotpills deserves to play out the summer
Agree. Am rapidly losing faith in him though. I just can't get my head around how someone can average a superb 41 in ODI cricket and look so poor in Tests. It must be almost unprecedented in cricket?
 

Skyliner

International 12th Man
Gotpills deserves to play out the summer
Deserves to? What did he do to be so deserving? He averaged 13 over the test tour just gone.
He obviously earns match fees and an improved contract as a test player, but he's not doing much to justify these.
It's a stretch to say that he deserves to play the remaining tests this summer. If he can't produce something against Sri Lanka, he doesn't really deserve to play the tests against Australia.
 

Moss

International Captain
Deserves to? What did he do to be so deserving? He averaged 13 over the test tour just gone.
He obviously earns match fees and an improved contract as a test player, but he's not doing much to justify these.
It's a stretch to say that he deserves to play the remaining tests this summer. If he can't produce something against Sri Lanka, he doesn't really deserve to play the tests against Australia.
To think of it another way, Starc, Hazlewood and co would be delighted to see Guptill in the lineup if he does hold on to his spot for the return series. Though this has never been the way McHesson have approached things in dealing with players, there will be a lot of pressure on them for a better result when that series comes around.
 

jonbrooks

International Debutant
My Black Caps ratings for the Oz test series:

1. Guptill - 2, aside from one gutsy 20 odd he was rubbish
2. Latham - 5, showed a lot of promise but didn't push on. I hope he doesn't Daniel Flynn himself
3. Williamson - 8.5 out of 10. Had it not been for the two Adelaide innings he'd have got a 9.99. Mind you the two deliveries that got him in Adelaide were beauties
4. Taylor - 7.5, one massive 290 but failed to get past 40 in the other innings
5. Santner - 6, a good start to his career but a brain explosion had him charging and stumped. He could have been the difference for us
6. Watling - 3, some good catches but glove work was sloppy. He failed miserably in the batting department
7. Craig - 1, garbage
9. Bracewell - 7, yes, I give him a 7 as he bowled very well without much luck. Had there been equal pressure from the other end he may well have ended up with a bunch of wickets. Batted sensibly and got better with each test
10.Southee - 5, definitely not all there. Bowled well in the 2nd innings in Perth but failed to put Oz under pressure in Adelaide
11. Boult - 6, similar to Southee with him not being 100%. Seemed to be coming good in the final innings but too little too late
 

Zinzan

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We have 4/5 realistic options and while I know optimism will be high with a few of our members on a few of these guys, none of them are better than Guptill at the moment.
Brownlie is a better long-form player who's had very few chances compared with others. In what respect Guptill a better 5 day bat than he?

Would anyone seriously suggest Brownlie would have gone worse than Guptill in this series considering how he did in 2011 there?

What am I missing?
 

Skyliner

International 12th Man
My Black Caps ratings for the Oz test series:

1. Guptill - 2, aside from one gutsy 20 odd he was rubbish
2. Latham - 5, showed a lot of promise but didn't push on. I hope he doesn't Daniel Flynn himself
3. Williamson - 8.5 out of 10. Had it not been for the two Adelaide innings he'd have got a 9.99. Mind you the two deliveries that got him in Adelaide were beauties
4. Taylor - 7.5, one massive 290 but failed to get past 40 in the other innings
5. Santner - 6, a good start to his career but a brain explosion had him charging and stumped. He could have been the difference for us
6. Watling - 3, some good catches but glove work was sloppy. He failed miserably in the batting department
7. Craig - 1, garbage
9. Bracewell - 7, yes, I give him a 7 as he bowled very well without much luck. Had there been equal pressure from the other end he may well have ended up with a bunch of wickets. Batted sensibly and got better with each test
10.Southee - 5, definitely not all there. Bowled well in the 2nd innings in Perth but failed to put Oz under pressure in Adelaide
11. Boult - 6, similar to Southee with him not being 100%. Seemed to be coming good in the final innings but too little too late
No McCullum rating? How about a 2 : poor use of the review system, frenetic field changes on Day 1 at Gabba added to a nightmarish day, naive and inept tactics, poor selections - 2 spinners on a greentop that lasted 3 days (Smith took one look at the amount of grass and sent O'keefe home), a pig-headed need to keep playing Mark Craig and keep bowling him at absolutely the wrong times - including at the injured Starc and on the last day when runs were as valuable as gold,
Weak batting that an 80 in a lost cause at the Gabba cannot redeem: when it game to setting up a game he never contributed a thing. His slogging style seems to have infected several members of the team, with the outcome that they are becoming as useless as he is.
He gets his 2 for his specialist fielding - running around like a maniac, flying through the air, hitting the deck like a sack of spuds - all with a back that it apparently so stuffed he can hardly get out of bed. Also for the mysterious way he has the NZ media eating out of his hands like he is some sort of deity come down from on high to grace us all with his presence. Consistent lime-light stealer who pushes his more talented and more humble team mates into the shade.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Brownlie is a better long-form player who's had very few chances compared with others. In what respect Guptill a better 5 day bat than he?

Would anyone seriously suggest Brownlie would have gone worse than Guptill in this series considering how he did in 2011 there?

What am I missing?
Brownlie is a better FC batsman than Guptill, but I still don't back him at all as an opener.
 

Skyliner

International 12th Man
Brownlie is a better FC batsman than Guptill, but I still don't back him at all as an opener.
What makes you think Guptill is a test opener? I don't back Guptill as a test opener, and I also don't back him as a middle order test batsman, as he did nothing there also.

His 2 test centuries and against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, who are as weak as water.

There is no evidence that Guptill is a test opener. He plays as an opener, doesn't perform. You have to both play as an opener and perform as an opener. He's been selected as one, but not based on any evidence or performance.
You can't take note of white ball form unless it goes hand in hand with really significant first class performances. George Workers going well in white ball stuff: hands up who wants him opening the batting for us in tests? Chris Harris was a fantastic white ball player, did nothing in test cricket.
Guptill is partly is the side as a specialist fielder, like Craig and Baz.

Hey, but Guptill deserves to keep going right through the home series'. Deserves to. Brownlie on the other hand does not deserve to. Brownlie was indicated as the next cab off the rank and shortly thereafter scored 300: he does not deserve a spot. Guptill does.
 
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Athlai

Not Terrible
What makes you think Guptill is a test opener? I don't back Guptill as a test opener, and I also don't back him as a middle order test batsman, as he did nothing there also.

His 2 test centuries and against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, who are as weak as water.

There is no evidence that Guptill is a test opener. He plays as an opener, doesn't perform. You have to both play as an opener and perform as an opener. He's been selected as one, but not based on any evidence or performance.
You can't take note of white ball form unless it goes hand in hand with really significant first class performances. George Workers going well in white ball stuff: hands up who wants him opening the batting for us in tests? Chris Harris was a fantastic white ball player, did nothing in test cricket.
Guptill is partly is the side as a specialist fielder, like Craig and Baz.
I mean really? Guptill did pretty well in England in my eyes, two innings he ground out against the swinging ball and two he nicked out. I mean sure he doesn't have the tightest defensive technique in the world and plays with hard hands but no one is trying to say he will be a good Test batsman.

My standard is low 30s for a Test opener and I don't think away tours against England and Australia really give a fair representation of his ability.
 

Gnske

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Where the odd minnow bashing does give representation of his ability?

I think tours against England and Australia do give a representation of his ability in the long form. You would see Kane's performances overseas against the quality Test sides as being credit to his quality and versatility as a batsman, why should the same not apply to Guptill?

I just fail to see how he can succeed against quality attacks at Test level unless he changes that stance of his. He's so far forward pressed that its no wonder hes always looking off balance and coming through with hard hands. With such a bug present in his system it's going to be a joy for any opening bowler of quality to line him up in their sights.

I'd enjoy seeing him succeed as much as the next guy but I think averaging 30 could be a bridge too far right now (Although he's capable of surprises no doubt, those two half centuries in England were incredibly unlikely)
 
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Skyliner

International 12th Man
I mean really? Guptill did pretty well in England in my eyes, two innings he ground out against the swinging ball and two he nicked out. I mean sure he doesn't have the tightest defensive technique in the world and plays with hard hands but no one is trying to say he will be a good Test batsman.

My standard is low 30s for a Test opener and I don't think away tours against England and Australia really give a fair representation of his ability.
He nicked off yes. For nought, twice. In no way did he do any sort of job in seeing of the new ball. Just flippantly saying someone nicked off is no excuse. Don't play that line. He pushes out at the ball. Openers need to know where their off stump is and only play what they need to. And have the defensive technique to do the job. If he has the defensive technique to do the job, where is the evidence. Too many very low scores.
He is touted as a potentially destructive opener - once set, he'll punish you. It didn't happen in England. He was well set, and twice didn't push on.

Low 30's for a test opener is too low, but I guess this is NZ. But down in the 20's is unacceptable....it's just ****ing unacceptable.
 

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