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***Official*** New Zealand in Australia 2011

Howsie

Howsie

International Captain
SteveNZ said:
Agreed.

I hope Jesse got a thousand uppercuts for his dismissal last night. If ever a dismissal could be called lazy, that was it. I don't think he's ever going to get it, sadly.

And on Southee, it's also attitude holding him back from being a world-class bowler. If he wants to take 300-400 Test wickets, and get his average below 30 or so, he will. If he wants to be a regular without ever being that great, make a bit of coin from limited overs cricket and play the larrakin/chase skirt (as he does now) then he'll continue as is.
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Yep, his attitude stinks. That was pretty evident when he backed out of his Essex deal halfway through the World Cup to sign up with his IPL team. I have no doubt he'll eventually come good but it's his batting that's really starting to tick me off, he's just so pea hearted with the willow.

Edit: What's with all the Williamson cover drive avatars? That's my thing ya pricks.
 
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Zinzan

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GingerFurball said:
Cricket Archive has Graeme Hick as playing for Northern Districts in 1987/88 and 1988/89, and 10 One Day games for Auckland in 1997/98.
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Ah that's right, I forgot about his list A games for Auckland in the late 90's. Of course that made no difference to his England chances considering Hick was always a permanent fixture in England's ODI side at that time anyway.
 
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Howsie said:
Yep, his attitude stinks. That was pretty evident when he backed out of his Essex deal halfway through the World Cup to sign up with his IPL team. I have no doubt he'll eventually come good but it's his batting that's really starting to tick me off, he's just so pea hearted with the willow.
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Southee really needs to toughen up His inability to get behind the line of the ball when batting sums his attitude up for me at the moment....weak.
 
Howsie

Howsie

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zinzan12 said:
The problem for NZ is a simple one, Test matches just don't rate here. That is why players naturally gravitate towards ODI/T20's where NZ generally punch above their weight. We're lucky to get 2000 people along to a test match these days & our weak-chinned ex CEO did nothing at all to promote Test cricket in this country. They need to get back to rewarding well performed Test cricketers more than the other forms at a national level, only then they can start working on the other areas of development.
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Without derailing the thread too much I think it's an absolute joke that players like Luke Woodcock and Rob Nicol pick up national contracts when they aren't anywhere test selection. Scrap the 20 contracts, make it 12 like England, and pay your best players far better money. I can imagine making 200K+ a year would look rather enticing for a guy coming up through the ranks.
 
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wallacenz said:
i dont think we need to play county cricket. i think our comp is up to the task of fostering talent.

Andrew Strauss came to New Zealand, dumped by the English team. His career was pretty much over. He played a season in NZs comp, based on that he was selected for the English team (I think for their tour of NZ) and now he holds the ashes and captains the number 1 team in the world.

Other players have also resurrected their careers playing in the NZ comp like Hick.
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Maybe we might need more players to play county cricket. When we were at our greatest, in the mid 80s, our two superstars - Hadlee and Crowe - were playing extensive amounts of county cricket and had been for some time. Although it could be argued a) they were playing better sides due to better availbility of overseas players and England internationals and b) the schedules now wouldn't allow for it.

But the likes of Guptill, Williamson have and should continue to play over there, as should anyone else who isn't involved in IPL etc.

And incidentally you're drawing a horrendously long bow to suggest Strauss' successes were borne out of his short stint in NZ. From memory he didn't even play four-dayers. Yes he was here and they picked him, but you'd have to think they would've flown him over anyway.
 
Furball

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wallacenz said:
i dont think we need to play county cricket. i think our comp is up to the task of fostering talent.

Andrew Strauss came to New Zealand, dumped by the English team. His career was pretty much over. He played a season in NZs comp, based on that he was selected for the English team (I think for their tour of NZ) and now he holds the ashes and captains the number 1 team in the world.

Other players have also resurrected their careers playing in the NZ comp like Hick.
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5 one dayers and 6 T20s is a full season?
 
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wallacenz

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SteveNZ said:
Maybe we might need more players to play county cricket. When we were at our greatest, in the mid 80s, our two superstars - Hadlee and Crowe - were playing extensive amounts of county cricket and had been for some time. Although it could be argued a) they were playing better sides due to better availbility of overseas players and England internationals and b) the schedules now wouldn't allow for it.

But the likes of Guptill, Williamson have and should continue to play over there, as should anyone else who isn't involved in IPL etc.

And incidentally you're drawing a horrendously long bow to suggest Strauss' successes were borne out of his short stint in NZ. From memory he didn't even play four-dayers. Yes he was here and they picked him, but you'd have to think they would've flown him over anyway.
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from my memory strauss, bopara and hick were all on the outer with England when they came to NZ. In the case of Hick and Strauss England were due to tour and they did it so that they would be conveniently located for selection BUT they still had to perform in the NZ comp else why select them?

I agree regarding playing in the county comp. it makes sense to play as much cricket as possible against good opposition and the seasons dont clash so theyd hopefully be back to play in the nz comp. if they stayed offshore then it weakens our comp.
 
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wallacenz said:
from my memory strauss, bopara and hick were all on the outer with England when they came to NZ. In the case of Hick and Strauss England were due to tour and they did it so that they would be conveniently located for selection BUT they still had to perform in the NZ comp else why select them?

I agree regarding playing in the county comp. it makes sense to play as much cricket as possible against good opposition and the seasons dont clash so theyd hopefully be back to play in the nz comp. if they stayed offshore then it weakens our comp.
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lol, stop getting it wrong about Hick, It was pointed out already that he only played List A for Auckland & was already a permanent fixture in Eng's ODI side..... so not sure what ur point is about him
 
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wallacenz

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zinzan12 said:
lol, stop getting it wrong about Hick, It was pointed out already that he only played List A for Auckland & was already a permanent fixture in Eng's ODI side..... so not sure what ur point is about him
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i think youll find he was dropped from england in 1998
 
vic_orthdox

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GingerFurball said:
He got his jaw broken by one of his mates.
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Haha, all a bit of tomfoolery, tbh. He's from Dandenong, **** like that is par for the course.

To the guy who asked whether he's known for a bit of attitude, not with his teammates - he's pretty well liked amongst most people in Victoria, but he loves giving a good cook to the opposition, very vocal out on the ground.
 
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