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***Official*** New Zealand in Australia 2011

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
North is a better bowler than some of your recent picks IMO.
Yeah, the reason North was picked in the first place was because Watson was injured and Australia wanted to use four seamers in South Africa; he was the spinner. He hit a ton on debut and cemented his place as a specialist batsman for another 20 odd painful Tests though.

I like North's bowling too; I was calling for him to slide down the order and play as a spinner at one point when the only other option appeared to be Hauritz.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
In fact, that could harm his chances for the whole Indian series, as there is no Shield cricket being played at all.
Haven't they already said he's only going to be properly fit for the last two tests if they are lucky anyway.
 

Flem274*

123/5
So after John Wright has come out and put our batsmen on notice, how much do we think they will all score?

My money is on two 300ish scores. Just enough for them to hold on to their spots.
 

howardj

International Coach
This is a bit of a fallacy. If everyone did that, then the standard expected of a #9 would just rise, as would the standard expected of numbers 10 and 11..

Which suggests that pretty much everyone is already doing that and it's already happened. Except Chris Martin, obv.
Yeah, but the standard of a # 9 right now - through practice, guys should improve.

I understand that everyone has different levels of skill, but with practice and dedicating your whole life to cricket, it's reasonable to expect that guys will at least be inadquate with the bat (as distinct from ****ing hopeless).
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Yeah, but the standard of a # 9 right now - through practice, guys should improve.

I understand that everyone has different levels of skill, but with practice and dedicating your whole life to cricket, it's reasonable to expect that guys will at least be inadquate with the bat (as distinct from ****ing hopeless).
I think everyone in the Australian setup at the moment meets the minimum expected requirement of a professional cricketer though, bar perhaps Bollinger. Australia doesn't have a proper #8 in the side at the moment but it doesn't have any rabbits either.
 

Ruckus

International Captain
How many times in his short test career so far has Harris actually broken down in a match early on, or at least at a point which significantly impacted the outcome of game?

I agree with others that relying on Harris at this point is probably not the best idea though. Would like to see how Pattinson fares in the next match to evaluate whether or not, without Harris, him and Cummins would be a consistent enough pace attack for India. Cummins should have played next test too imo, instead of Starc.

Even if Harris is 100% ready to play, I still don't know a pace attack of Harris, Cummins and Pattinson is the best balance we could achieve.
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
So after John Wright has come out and put our batsmen on notice, how much do we think they will all score?

My money is on two 300ish scores. Just enough for them to hold on to their spots.
I think we will go better because the pitch won't be so bouncy. So I expect us to get to 250 all out but without relying on Vettori to get a century to get us there.

I don't think the rark up will have any impact. The guys are already trying hard. They just weren't good enough.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Don't get how you can dedicate your life to cricket, and not at least be of a # 9 standard with the bat.
There are very few genuine bunnies in world cricket. Those who are, I would say it's a co-ordination thing more than anything. Chris Martin could spend the rest of his life in the nets and wouldn't get much better.

You Australian folk don't give a monkey's about this second Test now, do you? It's taken on all the appearances of a tour warm-up ahead of India. And to be fair, we deserve it to be looked upon that way.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
It's because of their questionable existence.
:laugh:

You Australian folk don't give a monkey's about this second Test now, do you? It's taken on all the appearances of a tour warm-up ahead of India. And to be fair, we deserve it to be looked upon that way.
There are some of us who know what's coming from India. And because of that, this Test Series is most definitely the highlight. :)
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
How many times in his short test career so far has Harris actually broken down in a match early on, or at least at a point which significantly impacted the outcome of game?
Technically none, as the Test in Melbourne was already well out of Australia's reach. I still think, given Harris' recent injury history, it's a risk that Australia should avoid taking wherever possible though.
 

Top_Cat

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Has broken down a few times in the lead-up to a series or the aftermath of a win he played a role in. Isn't as immediately disastrous as losing a bloke in a game is but is pretty disruptive to team morale/stability.

Risky too because as long as everyone agrees the gun is firing, it's all good but if a player keeps getting treated that way but not delivering to awesome standards, doesn't take long before grumbling starts about why they have the golden pass.
 
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Days of Grace

International Captain
I think we will go better because the pitch won't be so bouncy. So I expect us to get to 250 all out but without relying on Vettori to get a century to get us there.

I don't think the rark up will have any impact. The guys are already trying hard. They just weren't good enough.
Not good enough in terms of skill/talent? Or not good enough in terms of mental concentration?
 

Redbacks

International Captain
Harris should get in touch with Nick Bianco's acupuncturist. He's worked his magic with the knees of many football players in SA. I hope he has completely reworked his training also. I'd say no running on anything bar grass and pool/bike work to keep fit.
 

Ruckus

International Captain
Has broken down a few times in the lead-up to a series or the aftermath of a win he played a role in. Isn't as immediately disastrous as losing a bloke in a game is but is pretty disruptive to team morale/stability.

Risky too because as long as everyone agrees the gun is firing, it's all good but if a player keeps getting treated that way but not delivering to awesome standards, doesn't take long before grumbling starts about why they have the golden pass.
I don't see it as much of a problem at all if he breaks down after a match or before it - we are starting to get some good depth with our bowling now, so it isn't exactly a crisis situation. Bowlers come in and out of teams all the time anyway, irrespective of injury issues. I think it would be good if we could build to have a core set of say, around 6, test bowlers ready to go, but in terms of one of them occasionally being substituted in or out, I don't see it as much of an issue. I think what we should be doing with Harris right now, is playing him if he is fit and as a auxiliary bowler (basically like what Siddle has been doing), but only if it looks like he would really augment the attack. He probably shouldn't play consecutive matches either, unless the break in between is long enough. I don't think it's right he should be shelved all together - he is too good a player to waste imo and simply deserves some more goes. The perception of his role in the team just needs to be changed from him being the key part of the attack, to a very useful addition when fit.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
They don't really. It's just that the bowlers they're picking are really inexperienced and in a lot of cases haven't even done a lot with the ball in Shield cricket yet, let alone the bat. Cumming and Pattinson both have batting pedigree in junior and grade cricket.



Australia are pretty lucky to find a spinner at all at the moment without worrying if he can bat or not. O'Keefe and Hauritz can both bat, Cullen Bailey can bat a bit but he can't bowl, O'Brien is a batsman who gets used as a spinner. There's North..
You know, one of the main reasons I've kept my sig for more than a few days is because of this :ph34r:
 

howardj

International Coach
Tell the clowns on Foxtel - Border, Julian, Junior.

But actually spelling it "Cummings" is even worse.
 

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