***Official*** New Zealand Domestic Season 2019/20

[Immenso]

So 1 day of the 'A' test series rained out, better than last year.

Only 34 wickets over the 7 days. 4.8 wickets per day.

Probably an accurate reflection of NZ's bowling strength/depth, and that India A were strengthened for the second match with some test players. Not sure of India A's bowling strength?

In both matches the team batting first gave away some very soft wickets.
Teams also opting for some round the wicket Wagnering.

Red ball cricket in NZ is becoming unwatchable if you like to watch bowling, IMO. Crap pitches and crappy kookas.

But I'm a bit torn, I've held to the theory that the golden era of the 2010s has in large part been a result of flat domestic pitches since post-2000 forcing the best out of the Southee/Boult/Henry/Milne/Bracewell generation having to contend with flat pitches, opposition engine-roomers and a cohort of experienced domestic team-mates and rivals elongating their careers with the central domestic contracts.

But, I'm now just thinking it was an accidental blip, because where is the next generation (of seam.swing/fast bowlers)?

 

[Immenso]

'A' level bowling review. Mostly just concerned with the 'A' tests, as we already have JAMODIs.

As the small sample size is increased by a smidgen ....

Tickner, although spanked in his one reduced 'A' 'test' outing this season, has a good 'A' record:
https://archive.nzc.nz/Players/1798/1798306/f_Bowling_by_Team.html

Duffy doesn't, with just 3 wickets from 4 games:
https://archive.nzc.nz/Players/1065/1065202/f_Bowling_by_Team.html
But he was actually OK this season v India 'A' in both formats. So, some hope.

Jamieson didn't get to play an 'A' test this season, his current record in 'A' tests is poor: https://archive.nzc.nz/Players/1389/1389417/f_Bowling_by_Team.html
But he did well in th 'A' ODIs which is encouraging for signs of ability to step up: https://archive.nzc.nz/Players/1389/1389417/a_Bowling_by_Team.html

Smith was tidy in his one outing at this level.


Of the spinners.
Ajaz Patel record at an elevated level in NZ conditions is interesting:
- 3 wickets at 89 for NZ 'A'
- 0 wickets for NZ in home tests
Total = 4 matches, 3 wickets, ave of 116.00

 

[Immenso]

The nerd in me is interested, surprised and pleased, that the 2 warm up games by India A v an NZ XI appear to have been official List A games according to cricket archive. so must have been 11-a-side.

https://archive.nzc.nz/Events/India_A_in_New_Zealand_2019-20.html

Good for Zak Gibson, Jack Boyle, Jacob Bhula and Finn Allen who all had good performances. For Allen and Boyle they racked up career bests.

 

[nzfan]

So 1 day of the 'A' test series rained out, better than last year.

Only 34 wickets over the 7 days. 4.8 wickets per day.

Probably an accurate reflection of NZ's bowling strength/depth, and that India A were strengthened for the second match with some test players. Not sure of India A's bowling strength?

In both matches the team batting first gave away some very soft wickets.
Teams also opting for some round the wicket Wagnering.

Red ball cricket in NZ is becoming unwatchable if you like to watch bowling, IMO. Crap pitches and crappy kookas.

But I'm a bit torn, I've held to the theory that the golden era of the 2010s has in large part been a result of flat domestic pitches since post-2000 forcing the best out of the Southee/Boult/Henry/Milne/Bracewell generation having to contend with flat pitches, opposition engine-roomers and a cohort of experienced domestic team-mates and rivals elongating their careers with the central domestic contracts.

But, I'm now just thinking it was an accidental blip, because where is the next generation (of seam.swing/fast bowlers)?

Not only this series but the past NZ A series' have been pretty much drawn tests. 2 in Pakistan (although barring Ravindra and Young our boys didn't necessarily put big numbers but did bat out time). The three India A 4 day matches last year were all drawn. The England vs NZ A was drawn as well and now this. Our pitches are truly a worry for bowlers. There's nothing in it for seamers or the spinners. That's 8 drawn 4 day matches. ICC wants to go 4 day matches, go figure.

 

[nzfan]

'A' level bowling review. Mostly just concerned with the 'A' tests, as we already have JAMODIs.

As the small sample size is increased by a smidgen ....

Tickner, although spanked in his one reduced 'A' 'test' outing this season, has a good 'A' record:
https://archive.nzc.nz/Players/1798/1798306/f_Bowling_by_Team.html

Duffy doesn't, with just 3 wickets from 4 games:
https://archive.nzc.nz/Players/1065/1065202/f_Bowling_by_Team.html
But he was actually OK this season v India 'A' in both formats. So, some hope.

Jamieson didn't get to play an 'A' test this season, his current record in 'A' tests is poor: https://archive.nzc.nz/Players/1389/1389417/f_Bowling_by_Team.html
But he did well in th 'A' ODIs which is encouraging for signs of ability to step up: https://archive.nzc.nz/Players/1389/1389417/a_Bowling_by_Team.html

Smith was tidy in his one outing at this level.


Of the spinners.
Ajaz Patel record at an elevated level in NZ conditions is interesting:
- 3 wickets at 89 for NZ 'A'
- 0 wickets for NZ in home tests
Total = 4 matches, 3 wickets, ave of 116.00

Those numbers also includes matches vs Pakistan A I suppose. Ajaz's bowling has definitely been worrisome of late. Hope he hasn't lost the skill for test matches having played so much white ball cricket. I just want him to do well so that we don't fall back on heavily tried and failed Santner and Ish.

 

[Athlai]

Ajaz is fine, he just was never especially great. Classic NZ spinner merry go round player.

 

[nzfan]

Otago vs Canterbury Ford trophy semi finals today. It's not on sky and that's not good. Come on at least you could show the semis and the finals. Every worthy international side cover all the one day and T20s. Here we don't cover anything but for the finals in one dayers. First class I think is covered in many countries if not all but some of them at least. This year we had much better coverage of super smash but still we are very short of covering domestic cricket. Hoping Spark in future covers some if not all ford trophy games. In the 80s and 90s domestic players were household names thanks to the coverage but Radio sport stopped covering Plunkett Shield probably in 2010? I'd think in this time and age where technology is so much better and accessible we should be aiming to cover games. Some of the county sides have fixed cameras and cover through pitch vision. Why isn't crichq doing this? Surely with time we will have some revenue coming through.

 

[kaetor]

Agree, it's so disappointing how poor our domestic coverage is. I understand there's money to factor in, and the viewership probably will be a bit low, but surely it can't be less than some of the other rubbish that sky broadcasts!

Gonna head down at lunch and see if it's free entry

 

[SteveNZ]

Otago vs Canterbury Ford trophy semi finals today. It's not on sky and that's not good. Come on at least you could show the semis and the finals. Every worthy international side cover all the one day and T20s. Here we don't cover anything but for the finals in one dayers. First class I think is covered in many countries if not all but some of them at least. This year we had much better coverage of super smash but still we are very short of covering domestic cricket. Hoping Spark in future covers some if not all ford trophy games. In the 80s and 90s domestic players were household names thanks to the coverage but Radio sport stopped covering Plunkett Shield probably in 2010? I'd think in this time and age where technology is so much better and accessible we should be aiming to cover games. Some of the county sides have fixed cameras and cover through pitch vision. Why isn't crichq doing this? Surely with time we will have some revenue coming through.

The romantic in me does lament the fact it's not televised. I remember vividly the old Shell Cup days, moments like Gavin Larsen batting in the final with one hand etc - formed a lot of my love for the game as a youngster.

Unfortunately I'd imagine economies of scale hold back production. If Australia has their List A stuff on, it's because their production costs are the same but they beam out to many more viewers. Same with India.

 

[jcas0167]

. I remember vividly the old Shell Cup days, moments like Gavin Larsen batting in the final with one hand etc - formed a lot of my love for the game as a youngster.

One of the greatest finals ever played and the beginning of that Canterbury dynasty in the 90's.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

I think it was mentioned Spark would just show the Ford Trophy final, same as Sky, but they will show every Super Smash game (men and women’s).

I agree, used to love tuning into the Shell Cup as a youngster. That Gavin Larsen one handed batting match was a classic. Remember Wellington seemed well out of it until some lusty blows from Derek Sterling.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

One of the greatest finals ever played and the beginning of that Canterbury dynasty in the 90's.

And the beginning of a Wellington choking in the final or semis every year for about a decade.

 

[nzfan]

Renwick pumping it.. what's with our wicket keepers across the teams? They are all batting really well and putting good runs on board. At this rate we may have Black Caps line up 1 to 7 full of wicket keepers

 

[NZTailender]

Renwick pumping it.. what's with our wicket keepers across the teams? They are all batting really well and putting good runs on board. At this rate we may have Black Caps line up 1 to 7 full of wicket keepers

A few years ago NZ said they used to try and emulate Australia, and that didn't work, so they decided to come up with their own brand of cricket. And when they said own brand, they meant copy Sri Lanka.

 

[Bahnz]

Ah, some great memories from the Shell Cup of that era. Here's a nice little video. Mr X absolutely towered over the NZ cricketers of his time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9yVv-5MiA

My abiding memory from that time was of Wellington finally ending Canterbury's run in the 94/95 semi-final, and then going to the final at the Basin super excited only for a young and very talented ND side (I think they had Nash, Doull, Parore and a few others at the time) to come along and completely marmalise us.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Ah, some great memories from the Shell Cup of that era. Here's a nice little video. Mr X absolutely towered over the NZ cricketers of his time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9yVv-5MiA

My abiding memory from that time was of Wellington finally ending Canterbury's run in the 94/95 semi-final, and then going to the final at the Basin super excited only for a young and very talented ND side (I think they had Nash, Doull, Parore and a few others at the time) to come along and completely marmalise us.

Definitely one of the most depressing days as a Wellington supporter. Played their final a match early lol.

Wasn’t there a possible Chris Cairns’ obstructing the field dismissal in that 1994 final, sign of controversial times to come!

 

[jcas0167]

I remember with that 94/95 final the NZ team returned from their disastrous South Africa tour just beforehand and most of the ND team that got them to the final were replaced by the returning Black Caps. Then in the final the unheralded Michael Parlane hit 90 and was MOTM.

 

[nzfan]

The most etched memory for me from Firebirds is the catch from one called Mayu Pasupathi, a singled handed catch at fine leg. Was at the ground watching the game and I was stoked. Excellent crown numbers that day from memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uucW-rRkHfw

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/88795996/the-pearl-15-years-ago-today-mayu-pasupati-wrote-himself-into-cricket-folklore-with-a-stunning-catch

 

[nzfan]

Nail biter game today and Nathan Smith delivers in the last over. Although it has to be be said he dished up two full tosses and the Caterbury guys froze. Probably trying a yorker and it went wrong but good for the lad. He's now delivered quite consistently in the death.

 

[SteveNZ]

Ah, some great memories from the Shell Cup of that era. Here's a nice little video. Mr X absolutely towered over the NZ cricketers of his time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9yVv-5MiA

My abiding memory from that time was of Wellington finally ending Canterbury's run in the 94/95 semi-final, and then going to the final at the Basin super excited only for a young and very talented ND side (I think they had Nash, Doull, Parore and a few others at the time) to come along and completely marmalise us.

Holy **** that is good. The good old days. Quite enjoyed trying to guess who was who - quite a few CD guys got me stumped.