***Official*** New Zealand Domestic Season 2015/16

[Dan]

Sold his soul to the devil to get his Test spot back, obvs.

 

[Howsie]

Yeah, a lot better than his last stint in county cricket turned out. I don't want people to think that Blocky has murdered me and taken over my account, but if Boult doesn't pull his socks up he could come under pressure for his new ball spot given that Wagner was reportedly swinging it pretty well.

Come on, we hear that all the time with Wagner.

 

[Hurricane]

Come on, we hear that all the time with Wagner.

Agreed.

Boult is a far better bowler that Wagner. Boult will rebound more and more as he learns to trust his back.

It will also help him if Kookaburra decide to produce a batch of balls soon that swing.

 

[hendrix]

Not really about better at this point, about use of the new ball.

 

[Hurricane]

I think we are desperate for conversation if we are proposing Wagner, who can barely even swing it, takes the new ball.

Wagner has proven himself time and time again as a terrific old ball bowler. Let him be world class at that.

Given Ryder carved up on the country scene with his bowling I fail to see why we are getting over hyped about one Wagner performance anyway.

Let's discuss my betting win on the weekend instead since I feel that is far more germaine to the long term success of the black caps. I put $20 on the Blues and got $28 back. That is my new betting strategy. To bet on sure things.

 

[Bahnz]

I think we are desperate for conversation if we are proposing Wagner, who can barely even swing it, takes the new ball.

Wagner has proven himself time and time again as a terrific old ball bowler. Let him be world class at that.

Given Ryder carved up on the country scene with his bowling I fail to see why we are getting over hyped about one Wagner performance anyway.

Let's discuss my betting win on the weekend instead since I feel that is far more germaine to the long term success of the black caps. I put $20 on the Blues and got $28 back. That is my new betting strategy. To bet on sure things.

Wagner can swing it substantially when in rhythm. You only have to go on youtube and see his dismissal of Kp from the 2013 test series to see that. Also, Wagner is bowling in CC div 1, whereas Ryder plays in div 2 in conditions that have been enormously seam friendly in the last couple of seasons. Basically an accurate medium pacers paradise.

 

[Hurricane]

In other news that is more germaine to the black caps getting the number 1 test ranking spot than Wagner opening the bowling. Apparently for the next few months Axl Rose will be the cover singer for ACDC due to illness.

Imagine him screetching out Back in Black.

 

[hendrix]

You only have to go on youtube and see his dismissal of Kp from the 2013 test series to see that.

I watched that full test ball to ball and that was about the only delivery he swung (tbf hardly anyone swung it much that test).

 

[Hurricane]

I watched that full test ball to ball and that was about the only delivery he swung (tbf hardly anyone swung it much that test).

That is my memory as well. He has moved the odd delivery here and there but Anderson gets appreciably more swing that Wagner.

I would say that Neil gets one to move every three or four tests. That is hyper bole probably more than that obviously but that is honestly how often I notice him swing one.

 

[Bahnz]

Good to hear then that Wags is being industrious and getting this season's allocation of swinging balls out of the way in the first morning

Neil Wagner immediately hits right notes for Lancashire | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

True, both Jarvis and Wagner had bowled well in the morning session, with Wagner enjoying the swing he could get from a Dukes ball

 

[brockley]

Category: | NT News
Kiwi playing in Darwin.

 

[Hurricane]

English conditions, Duke Ball, Early season, equals a bagful for anyone who is International quality. And he (Wagner) is a test match quality bowler. Test match quality bowlers are better than county cricketers so he should be doing well. Yes 6-66 is extremely good granted. Our Trent might have done better given the same opportunity.

tl;dr version - most people can swing it in England.

 

[Smudge]

Otago Volts coach Nathan King "resigns" - ie. gets forced out by some underperforming players.

Cricket: Otago Volts coach resigns | Otago Daily Times Online News : Otago, South Island, New Zealand & International News

 

[SteveNZ]

Otago Volts coach Nathan King "resigns" - ie. gets forced out by some underperforming players.

Cricket: Otago Volts coach resigns | Otago Daily Times Online News : Otago, South Island, New Zealand & International News

I'm far from an expert on things Dunedin but is that an expected situation in a province where typically nigh-on half the side are from other provinces who chased personal opportunities? As I say I'm not speaking from a place of expertise on the matter but that would explain the lack of trophies and a desire to win for each other.

 

[BackFootPunch]

I'm far from an expert on things Dunedin but is that an expected situation in a province where typically nigh-on half the side are from other provinces who chased personal opportunities? As I say I'm not speaking from a place of expertise on the matter but that would explain the lack of trophies and a desire to win for each other.

That's an interesting question. You might be right.

Just thinking through who they've had round player-wise in recent seasons, and I don't think this would've happened with most of the previous teams. Going back over the last 5-10 years, to when a guy like Hesson first started out (whose story is similar to King's really), there's always been a few really strong Otago-bloke type personalities in the team. Guys who wouldn't let the sort of behind the back **** go on that's presumably happened here with ousting King. Think a Warren McSkimming or Craig Cumming sort of guy (both of whom are meant to have been assistant coaches this season, actually). With the current side, most of the homegrown guys are pretty young or on the fringes - with the exception of Bracewell and Rutherford. I'd be interested to know how much Ruds was involved towards the end of the season, given he was the named captain and all that, but was out with concussion. Perhaps, as you say, most of the strong personalities were from elsewhere and weren't all pulling in the same direction.

Sounds like Otago cricket didn't support King particularly well either, tbf. His support staff on away trips was the physio and a manager, neither of whom were able to assist in a technical capacity at all.

 

[SteveNZ]

That's an interesting question. You might be right.

Just thinking through who they've had round player-wise in recent seasons, and I don't think this would've happened with most of the previous teams. Going back over the last 5-10 years, to when a guy like Hesson first started out (whose story is similar to King's really), there's always been a few really strong Otago-bloke type personalities in the team. Guys who wouldn't let the sort of behind the back **** go on that's presumably happened here with ousting King. Think a Warren McSkimming or Craig Cumming sort of guy (both of whom are meant to have been assistant coaches this season, actually). With the current side, most of the homegrown guys are pretty young or on the fringes - with the exception of Bracewell and Rutherford. I'd be interested to know how much Ruds was involved towards the end of the season, given he was the named captain and all that, but was out with concussion. Perhaps, as you say, most of the strong personalities were from elsewhere and weren't all pulling in the same direction.

Sounds like Otago cricket didn't support King particularly well either, tbf. His support staff on away trips was the physio and a manager, neither of whom were able to assist in a technical capacity at all.

Yeah that encapsulates exactly what I was talking about. Someone like Wazza McSkimming is as staunch a Southern Man as they come. I don't know if that sort of player even exists in domestic cricket, or anywhere in the current generation. Probably still does in Chch, and even in Auckland - there's not a provincial fervour in that side but they are all Aucklanders, not outsiders chasing personal goals.

 

[King2]

Well contract time coming up so thought id start a bit of a discussion around who the movers are going to be and what the contracts are going to be for the upcoming sesson.

Thoughts?

 

[Kippax]

I know Nick Beard won't be seen in 2016/17. He's following Marty Kain in pursuing a career in real estate.

I'll tip Hesson and Larsen to be pretty dull with the national ones, giving the likes of Neesham and Craig another year to come right and leaving the likes of Nuttall on domestic wages, I'd say.

Corey Anderson – SKYCITY Northern Knights
Doug Bracewell – Devon Hotel Central Stags
Trent Boult – SKYCITY Northern Knights
Mark Craig – SBS Bank Otago Volts
Martin Guptill – Mondiale Auckland Aces
Grant Elliott – Wellington Firebirds Munro
Matt Henry – Canterbury
Tom Latham – Canterbury
Mitchell McClenaghan – Mondiale Auckland Aces
Brendon McCullum – SBS Bank Otago Volts Nicholls
Nathan McCullum – SBS Bank Otago Volts Sodhi
Adam Milne – Devon Hotel Central Stags
Jimmy Neesham – SBS Bank Otago Volts
Luke Ronchi – Wellington Firebirds
Mitchell Santner – SKYCITY Northern Knights
Tim Southee – SKYCITY Northern Knights
Ross Taylor – Devon Hotel Central Stags
Neil Wagner – SBS Bank Otago Volts
BJ Watling – SKYCITY Northern Knights
Kane Williamson – SKYCITY Northern Knights

 

[nzfan]

What do you guys make of Hamish Bennett and Hamish Marshall picked up by Wellington Firebirds? Short sighted?

 

[Athlai]

Bennett a great pickup. Marshall.... Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh, would've been great for them to have him over the last few years but he's getting on a bit.