it is not inarguable but it is definitely a legit argument...
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i can say with some certainty that cleveland will not be swept...in fact they are still very much in this series, the warriors just defended home court once so far!
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OverratedSanity
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Even disregarding the fact that I think LeBron is a clearly superior player, I found his reason for ranking him below Kobe (ie) number of rings to be silly.
the number of rings is one of the biggest criteria used for determining greatness, it isn't considered as important in a team game like basketball as say majors in golf or tennis but 2 vs 5 is a significant difference. peak kobe would match up very well with peak lebron, both being outstanding two-way players at their best. i think lebron has had a more consistent career so far but then again, kobe has had more peaks as of right now (and i am talking personal peaks as well, not just rings)...i also think if lebron stays healthy for the next 5 years or so, he will definitely end up with a greater career than kobe but that again remains to be seen...
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Ikki
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Even when Klay and Curry have a bad game this team still has the pieces to win. GSW is uberstacked. I still think there's plenty to come from the Cavs though, we'll see.
Pratters
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Yeah, good post. People forget how terrific Kobe was when he was at the top of his game. His discipline and dedication in his later rings were incredible.
duffer
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Peak Kobe was a beast, but peak Lebron went five seasons in a row shooting above 50% from the field (with two seasons shooting ****ing 57%), while also boarding, assisting at an elite level and defending at All NBA Defensive First Team level. If never seen an all round animal like him.
andruid
Cricketer Of The Year
LeBron is clearly a more complete player, who adds more to title winning TEAMS, than most players since Bird. Would peak Kobe have gotten the 07 Cavs into the finals?
yes that's what all the regular season mvps are for and why i said he has had a more consistently great career so far...but all those put together have only produced 2 rings so far...his first couple of finals, he actually went passive to the point of being a non-factor, in later finals, he changed and was definitely more aggressive and impactful...he has more upside than kobe to be sure but all i am saying is kobe > lebron at this stage of his career isn't as farfetched as some people seem to think...
we can ask all kinds of hypothetical questions, would lebron have got his 2 rings without wade and bosh?
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
LeBron surpased Kobe a few years ago. At this point he's top 5 or higher on what he does IMO. Lebron was an awesome enough player in his Rookie year to be at a HoF level as a teenager. From his 2nd season on he's been at 27-7-7 and thereabouts for most of his career. He's just not real. As someone else said, only player I can think of since Bird that could lift a team's prospects singlehandedly.
vic_orthdox
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Reckon he's the only guy since who would have been included in the Best 50 of all time as early as Shaq was.