***Official*** NatWest Series/Challenge

[Barney Rubble]

He got Key out i remember, but saying that anyone could pick up a ball and bowl Key out

What I would like to see, however, is Key bowling......any evidence of it having happened?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Everyone gives Key stick, I like him, quality batsman.

Quality county batsman. Mediocre Test batsman.

 

[Neil Pickup]

What I would like to see, however, is Key bowling......any evidence of it having happened?

Yes. Player Profile: 12.2-0-44-0.

 

[Scaly piscine]

What I would like to see, however, is Key bowling......any evidence of it having happened?

Hmm the irony, Key chucking pies...

 

[tooextracool]

Quality county batsman. Mediocre Test batsman.

or rather 'unproven test batsman'. because theres no way you can tell me that hes mediocre when hes averaged 44.75 since his return, and has played a large part in winning several games.

 

[Gloucefan]

or rather 'unproven test batsman'. because theres no way you can tell me that hes mediocre when hes averaged 44.75 since his return, and has played a large part in winning several games.

Well said.

 

[tooextracool]

Err, what? South Africa are about 50 times as good as NZ in test matches currently, particularly in terms of batting. South Africa have one of the best batsmen in the world in Kallis, a rising star in AB De Villiers, and a fairly consistent and quality pair in Smith and Gibbs. Plus they bat a long way down the list because of Pollock. South Africa have the third best batting lineup in the world after Australia and India in test matches right now, New Zealand have a poorer batting lineup than any test side excluding Bangaldesh and Zimbabwe. There's no comparison at all.

how in the world is SA a better batting side than england? they have about 4 players of any worth, and the rest are either garbage, or are not specialist batters.

New Zealand have a very poor batting lineup, with their best player in Fleming being middle of the pack in the world at best. The West Indies have a couple of high quality batsmen in Lara and Chanderpaul, ..

the NZ lineup that played england wasnt poor. granted it wasnt brilliant but you cant call players like richardson, fleming, cairns, oram and astle as poor. they are poor now because 2 of those players retired, while one is constantly injured.

 

[tooextracool]

But nowdays you need to have something more than just batting in ODI's.

especially with hayden and ponting around there.

 

[tooextracool]

I think he's pretty good as it is, but he's not deserving of being rated among the best in the world (or ahead of Hoggard) until he does well against one of the better batting lineups in the world.

what is with your obsession with hoggard?
other than 1 series in SA, hes been carted around almost everytime hes come across non seaming conditions. and that includes the series against NZ and WI at home last year.

 

[tooextracool]

It's my prediction that he'll end up being a substantially better bowler than Jones, who aside from pace (and not extreme pace) offers precious little.

clearly you havent watched much of jones then.
the funny part about it all is that jones can do everything that anderson can with greater accuracy, reverse swing and pace.

 

[marc71178]

Maybe it is time for Martyn to move over and let in someone younger.

Martyn has been very solid for Australia and deserves to stay but looking ahead the team needs to develop and get better.

The only way dropping Martyn would improve the side would be to bring Lehmann in for him and giving the side a captain.

 

[marc71178]

I don't like the idea of four main bowlers in the team as well. A geniune all-rounder say Watson for example gives the team more balance IMO.

But the problem is they don't have a genuine all-rounder!

 

[Sylvester]

Forgot martyn did well against bangladesh, but yea his slow scoring not whats needed. Look at the total Aus have got which have both being chased down. Yes if the top order did their job it could be better, but they have done their job before and still they only made about 250. Martyn actually would be better in Clarke or Hussey pos that way he can be solid down there.

 

[social]

clearly you havent watched much of jones then.
the funny part about it all is that jones can do everything that anderson can with greater accuracy, reverse swing and pace.

Drops his head, falls away, cant hit the side of a barn ..... yeah youre right, he does do some of things Anderson does.

Seriously, they're on a par.

Every now and again, they get their action right and look impressive.

However, most of the time, they are what they are ...... works in progress

 

[cricket player]

how in the world is SA a better batting side than england?

SA has a better batting line up in odis I assume you are reffering to.

England has a better batting line up in Test matches.

 

[superkingdave]

Drops his head, falls away, cant hit the side of a barn ..... yeah youre right, he does do some of things Anderson does.

Seriously, they're on a par.

Every now and again, they get their action right and look impressive.

However, most of the time, they are what they are ...... works in progress

Have you seen Jones bowl recently? I'm a big Anderson fan, but he's nowhere near the bowler Jones is at the moment.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Drops his head, falls away, cant hit the side of a barn ..... yeah youre right, he does do some of things Anderson does.

Seriously, they're on a par.

Every now and again, they get their action right and look impressive.

However, most of the time, they are what they are ...... works in progress

Seriously Theres no way you have seen Jones and Anderson bowl to make a comment like that. Anderson has as much protential as anyone, but his accuracy just isnt good enough. Jones has shown he is as accurate as any England bowler and offers both normal and reverse swing.

 

[aussie]

Will you shut up about Anderson, he's not good enough.

what the f**k is wrong with you marc, where here did i make huge reference to Anderson all i said is that the crop of fast bowlers we have here has great potential for the future, since when is Anderson not good enough, i know he hasn't gone down the pecking order but that doesn't mean he should be written off.

 

[Top_Cat]

Forgot martyn did well against bangladesh, but yea his slow scoring not whats needed. Look at the total Aus have got which have both being chased down. Yes if the top order did their job it could be better, but they have done their job before and still they only made about 250. Martyn actually would be better in Clarke or Hussey pos that way he can be solid down there.

I can't believe you're complaining about Martyn's slow scoring; without that knock of his, Australia would have struggled for 200 AGAINST BANGLADESH, for crying out loud. And, Clarke, supposedly a far more attacking player, scored at an even slower rate and they batted together so I think it was more the team situation which caused the slow rate.

That and some support from the top-order would be nice.............

 

[Top_Cat]

If Aus can get better by bringing in Katich or Hussey who can bowl a bit and bring the fielding up a notch then why not. Its not about Martyn but about improving Aus.

And Martyn is still one of the few Aussies in the field not dropping catches and making mis-fields. Martyn is one of the best and most dependable fielders in Australia CURRENTLY but never gets the kudos because he never thows down the stumps (bit hard from the boundary).