*Official* Match 18 - New Zealand v Zimbabwe

[Prince EWS]

Five, thank you very much.

Kenya hardly count at all tbf. So that's four.

 

[blahblahblah]

for new zealand , even canada counts

 

[Prince EWS]

for new zealand , even canada counts

Canada > Kenya.

 

[morgieb]

Gawd. New Zealand crush Zimbabwe and Kenya but play like hacks against the good sides. Makes you wonder....

 

[blahblahblah]

Canada > Kenya.

 

[Prince EWS]

They are though. Finished above them in the qualifying tournament (made the final against Ireland in fact ).

 

[vcs]

Off topic, but I agree with whoever said yesterday that Balaji Rao would have a chance of making Australia's side. Looks a very decent leggie to me.

 

[Hurricane]

That's how it works though. The better players of spin are the ones who are more aggressive, and seek to dominate the spinners as you say. But obviously that brings with it more risk, so you're going to get out a bit.

And then there's form. If you're having a mare, doesn't matter how good you are against pace, spin, whatever, you're going to have a bad time of it.

There is some truth to what you say - i have seen Clarke get out using his feet stumped and also trying to go over the top so that is a sign that he got out by being aggressive. However I have also seen Tendulkar get out playing a forward defensive shot.

I guess my point is that just observing players from around the world bat against spin very few players look completely at ease to me. And spinners take wickets against all countries and all batsmen.

 

[Prince EWS]

Off topic, but I agree with whoever said yesterday that Balaji Rao would have a chance of making Australia's side. Looks a very decent leggie to me.

He wouldn't make Australia's team in any format. If you phrased it slightly differently though and said he's a better bowler than any available Australian spinner I'd agree. Maybe.

Australia wouldn't pick him because:
a) they don't really like picking their best spinners
c) I get the feeling he might not meet fitness requirements

 

[Nate]

Off topic, but I agree with whoever said yesterday that Balaji Rao would have a chance of making Australia's side. Looks a very decent leggie to me.

Disagree. He's decent, but way too inconsistent to make the step up.

 

[vcs]

He wouldn't make Australia's team in any format. If you phrased it slightly differently though and said he's a better bowler than any available Australian spinner I'd agree.

Australia wouldn't pick him because:
a) they don't really like picking their best spinners
c) I get the feeling he might not meet fitness requirements

Yeah, this is what I meant. Though I've only seen him bowl a grand total of 6 overs or so.

 

[Xuhaib]

Disagree. He's decent, but way too inconsistent to make the step up.

none of this stopped Xavier Dorethy

 

[Prince EWS]

none of this stopped Xavier Dorethy

Doherty's not really that inconsistent; he's just got nothing.

 

[Spark]

Plus that only applies to Tests, Doherty wouldn't have been a bad pick for our squad.

 

[Howe_zat]

His bowling has been impressive, but Rao's fitness and fielding would keep him out of any top side.

 

[BeeGee]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your theory, but I plain don't understand the criticism Guptill receives. He averages 36 in ODIs, which is perfectly acceptable (especially for a New Zealand batsman), he just fails to go on with starts a bit. I'm sure as he progresses in his International Career, he will go on to rectify that problem (somewhat).

AWTA.

With the right (Wright?) coaching and a little hard work he could be a future star for NZ. He certainly has the raw talent.

 

[BeeGee]

Gawd. New Zealand crush Zimbabwe and Kenya but play like hacks against the good sides. Makes you wonder....

It's how we roll.

There's a master plan at work here. Why do you think we'd drop Mills (our best seam bowler) and replace him with How (our reserve wicket keeper who can't bat) in a game against Australia? Watch and learn...

 

[Himannv]

He wouldn't make Australia's team in any format. If you phrased it slightly differently though and said he's a better bowler than any available Australian spinner I'd agree. Maybe.

Australia wouldn't pick him because:
a) they don't really like picking their best spinners
c) I get the feeling he might not meet fitness requirements

You + Australian selectors = fat guy haters.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Out of all the test playing nations, I would rate New Zealand as the most efficient minnow bashers.

 

[Hurricane]

Out of all the test playing nations, I would rate New Zealand as the most efficient minnow bashers.

I think it is because we take the teams seriously. We kind of have to because if we don't play our best we will lose. The other top teams know they can put in a 60% effort and win. This attitude leads to mixed results.