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*Official* Match 13 - Netherlands v West Indies
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Howe_zat
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I was worried about this before as England could lose to one of them and go out on NRR. Especially after the narrow win over the Netherlands.
The extra point against India means that's very unlikely now though. England would have to lose against both of them to go out. Possible but not at all likely.
Dhoni_fan
U19 Debutant
What happens if Bangladesh v West Indies is rained out?
I think England losign to both is very possible Windies would be slight favourites against them and Desh a decent team at home!
NasserFan207
International Vice-Captain
Bangladesh are still poor tbh. We'd have beaten them easily if they hadn't been at home, tells you all you need to know.
If England can milk the Indian spinners they won't have trouble with Bangladesh.
Also, this game basically shows you the difference batting first makes. The Netherlands had no choice but to go for it from ball one and against international attacks they are destined to crumble. I guarantee they'd have scored over 220 or so batting first.
If England can milk the Indian spinners they won't have trouble with Bangladesh.
Also, this game basically shows you the difference batting first makes. The Netherlands had no choice but to go for it from ball one and against international attacks they are destined to crumble. I guarantee they'd have scored over 220 or so batting first.
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Dhoni_fan
U19 Debutant
A large reason for that was due to West Indies havign to field a 4th team around the world for a long period of time, the last 2 series between the 2 sides has been very close, and West Indies have a stronger ODI team IHMO than England, Roach will be a key player.
Having said all that Bravo not in does probably give some momentum back to England he affects the balance of the side.
Chawla was awful yesterday England did play Bhaji well, but lets not forget that India forgot to appeal twice, well as England played, it was a freak sort of run chase by England's standards look at their recent scores and chases, they played above themselves, I can see Bangladesh giving them a very tough match indeed.
Dhoni_fan
U19 Debutant
We will never know the answer to that now!
Sure there is pressure batitng 2nd against a big score, but it sometimes can coem off England had no choice, yesterday battign first I highly doubt they would have made 338
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Erm, that was 1 series, not 2 years.
NasserFan207
International Vice-Captain
England have the ability and international experience to do that, teams like the netherlands don't.
Jacknife
International Captain
WI won't be favorites against England and just because they beat a Dutch side, who were very poor today, doesn't change the fact they haven't won a one day series against any of the test nations in a long time.
Jacknife
International Captain
How do you work that out, if they can score it batting second ,they can certainly score more batting first and what's your point with all this, if England scenarios.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
And it only took him 34 ODIs and 4 years to finally turn up. Shame it was against no mark opposition. Still averages a healthy 18 runs against test playing nations with the bat.
GotSpin
Hall of Fame Member
Sure was. Had a good feeling he was going to get it after he trapped in front the previous two melons.
Wasn't great competition but still some awesome bowling
Dhoni_fan
U19 Debutant
It was 2009 the Windies last won against a Test playing team and that was against England when they lost a tight series 3-2
And it was not one series they were at 4th strign it was the rest of that season including the ICC Champions Trophy.
You make any team play with a 4th string unit and they will struggle as the Windies did.
Sure West Indies lost 5-0 to SA last year a poor result, although SA are on of the favourites here but if you look closer at that match, that series could easily have been 4-1 in the Windies favour.
They are a good ODI side and in these conditions it will be a very touch game for England to win.
Howe_zat
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Right, but they still lost the series, which is what I said. I pointed out that they haven't won an ODI series against a Test-playing nation for nearly three years, while England have won serveral.
Of course, which is why I'm not going to berate them for that season. But that series vs Bangladesh and the CT amounted to 6 matches in one season, which is not much considering we're talking about three years of performances.
(As an aside, I would hesitate to call that side 4th string, as it wasn't entirely different from the side playing now. Sammy, Smith, Roach, Thomas and Miller were all playing.)
You don't count "almost winning one match out of 5" as a good performance, and at the same time ignore England's winning streak over the same time period, which included a 2-1 series win in South Africa.
I think the Windies have a lot of talent in their side and are as good as anyone on their day, but evidently have performed as a team very rarely in the recent past. For that reason I would have England start the match as favourites, and by some distance.
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