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****OFFICIAL**** Lara vs Tendulkar Debate Thread

honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Pigeon said:
Lara should be thankful to Ambrose and Walsh at the other end to have assisted him in the chase then.

Tendulkar unfortunately didn't have that luxury. It is no secret that he was in total pain which led him to that reckless shot. He himself described he felt like dying.

It is not as if Tendulkar has never performed in critical junctures. Tendulkar's 3rd innings 150 on a turner track during the Chennai 98 test match was stuff of glory. India had quite significant 1st innings deficit and Warne, who was living upto his name with 4 wickets incl Tendulkar in the first innings, was threatening to run through the Indian innings.

But Tendulkar just scythed through the Aussie attack.
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Warne and no one else... That was hardly an attack to be honest.. Sidhu, Dravid, Azhar and just about everyone had a very successful series then.
 
MrIncredible

MrIncredible

U19 Cricketer
Pigeon said:
Lara should be thankful to Ambrose and Walsh at the other end to have assisted him in the chase then.

Tendulkar unfortunately didn't have that luxury. It is no secret that he was in total pain which led him to that reckless shot. He himself described he felt like dying.

It is not as if Tendulkar has never performed in critical junctures. Tendulkar's 3rd innings 150 on a turner track during the Chennai 98 test match was stuff of glory. India had quite significant 1st innings deficit and Warne, who was living upto his name with 4 wickets incl Tendulkar in the first innings, was threatening to run through the Indian innings.

But Tendulkar just scythed through the Aussie attack.
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TBH that was a pretty weak Oz attack outside of Warne. A luxury Lara was never afforded vs Oz (who the hell r Robertson or Wilson ne way??)
 
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asty80

School Boy/Girl Captain
I suspect the day Tendulkar retires, he will be known as the greatest since Bradman.
Lara was alwas a talented batsmen, one of the best..But Tendulkar is HUGE.

He has longevity, consistency, class , humility, tremendous talent and irreplaceable respect.

I grew up watching Tendulkar and have watched most of his innings. I have not watched many of Lara's great knocks, so this is NOT a Lara bashing post. In the 90's there was hardly a ball that Tendlya played and missed. He terrified the aussies who had beaten Hansie's SA at their peak. He reached a level of singular success in a team sport that is unfathomable. Of course, it all had to normalise over a period of time.

To me, Tendulkar is Federer, Lara is Nadal.
 
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Pigeon

Pigeon

Banned
bagapath said:
even on the flattest track on earth, against the worst bowling attack a first class team - leave alone a test playing nation - can put together, it is not possible for even the greatest batsmen in the world to score 400 runs (and remain unbeaten). it is a monumental knock and since that also resulted in the only face saving result for west indies in that series (apart from lara winning back the world record from hayden), that innings deserves to be treated with absolute reverence.
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Oh yes, absolutely.

However as Hayden said, had Lara been an Australian, he'd never broken that record (perhaps would have remained n.o at 300 or something) because Australians never tend to bat more than maximum 5 sessions. It helped Lara himself was the captain in that match.
 
Pigeon

Pigeon

Banned
honestbharani said:
Warne and no one else... That was hardly an attack to be honest.. Sidhu, Dravid, Azhar and just about everyone had a very successful series then.
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So what? On a turner track of all, with the greatest spinner (then) , it was quite a counterattack.

The others fed on this innings of Tendulkar. But Tendulkar was heads and shoulders above other Indian batsmen in that series, and the rest of the year.
 
Pigeon

Pigeon

Banned
asty80 said:
I suspect the day Tendulkar retires, he will be known as the greatest since Bradman.
Lara was alwas a talented batsmen, one of the best..But Tendulkar is HUGE.

He has longevity, consistency, class , humility, tremendous talent and irreplaceable respect.

I grew up watching Tendulkar and have watched most of his innings. I have not watched many of Lara's great knocks, so this is NOT a Lara bashing post. In the 90's there was hardly a ball that Tendlya played and missed. He terrified the aussies who had beaten Hansie's SA at their peak. He reached a level of singular success in a team sport that is unfathomable. Of course, it all had to normalise over a period of time.

To me, Tendulkar is Federer, Lara is Nadal.
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Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Pigeon said:
What is a match winning innings?

Only 4th innings 100s count as matchwinning?

Many a time, Tendulkar set up Indian wins in the first innings itself with a splendid hundred and left enough stuff for Kumble & Co. to enforce a victory. It is not Tendulkar's fault that he had for most of the period a terrible bowling attack, except for Kumble, to do the job.
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Lara also didn't have a splendid bowling attack though it was admittedly better than India's attack. Walsh became really destructive only in his last 2-4 years. Before that he really had Ambrose as the truly great bowler.
 
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Pigeon

Pigeon

Banned
Code: 
Runs	BF  	SR  	Ground  	Start Date  	Bowlers
241* 	436	55.27	Sydney 		2-Jan-04	Lee, Gillespie, Bracken, MacGill
177	207	85.5	Bangalore 	25-Mar-98	Warne, Dale, Kaspa, Robertson
155* 	191	81.15	Chennai 	6-Mar-98	Warne, Reiffel, Kaspa, Robertson
154* 	243	63.37	Sydney 		2-Jan-08	Lee, Johnson, Clark, Hogg
153	205	74.63	Adelaide 	24-Jan-08	Lee, Johnson, Clark, Hogg
148* 	213	69.48	Sydney 		2-Jan-92	Hughes, Reid, McDermott, Warne
126	230	54.78	Chennai 	18-Mar-01	McGrath, Gillespie, Warne, Miller
116	191	60.73	Melbourne 	26-Dec-99	McGrath, Gillespie, Warne, Lee
114	161	70.8	Perth 		1-Feb-92	Hughes, Reid, McDermott, Whitney
109	188	57.97	Nagpur 		6-Nov-08	Lee, Johnson, Watto, Krejza
He has dominated attacks which contained the best of Australia's at the time. And imagine he cracked two hundreds when he was not even 20, on some of the toughest conditions to bat in.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
aussie said:
I have always viewed that innings in comparison to Lara's 153, in that Tendy played a poor shot to get out at crucila time after he was playing brilliantly. Unlike Lara (although he was dropped by Healy near the end) who held his nerve under equal pressure.
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It should be remembered that Moin Khan missed a simple stumping chance of Tendulkar in that innings when he was on 90. So both Lara and Tendulkar were given lives, but lara made his count.
 
Pigeon

Pigeon

Banned
MrIncredible said:
Check out the '04 series in India.

Tendy has been fortunate that for the most part, he has faced lesser Oz attacks (home 98,away 03, every series since mcwarne retired) than Lara.
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Check out the 99 series in Australia. He would have averaged even more but for 2 terrible decisions which went the other way.

In 2004, Tendulkar was coming out (prematuredly) off a terrible injury. He should never have played in that series.

Tendulkar faced enough of Warne to more than prove a point. I agree he didn't face McGrath more in tests. Such a shame. I am sure the odds would be on Tendulkar retaining more or less the same records even if he had faced McGrath. Remember it is a dead even in ODIs when they faced off. :)
 
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MrIncredible

MrIncredible

U19 Cricketer
Pigeon said:
Code: 
Runs	BF  	SR  	Ground  	Start Date  	Bowlers
241* 	436	55.27	Sydney 		2-Jan-04	[U]Lee, Gillespie, Bracken, MacGill[/U]177	207	85.5	Bangalore 	25-Mar-98	Warne, Dale, Kaspa, Robertson
155* 	191	81.15	Chennai 	6-Mar-98	Warne, Reiffel, Kaspa, Robertson
154* 	243	63.37	Sydney 		2-Jan-08	Lee, Johnson, Clark, Hogg
153	205	74.63	Adelaide 	24-Jan-08	Lee, Johnson, Clark, Hogg
148* 	213	69.48	Sydney 		2-Jan-92	Hughes, Reid, McDermott, Warne
[B]126	230	54.78	Chennai 	18-Mar-01	McGrath, Gillespie, Warne, Miller
116	191	60.73	Melbourne 	26-Dec-99	McGrath, Gillespie, Warne, Lee[/B]114	161	70.8	Perth 		1-Feb-92	Hughes, Reid, McDermott, Whitney
109	188	57.97	Nagpur 		6-Nov-08	Lee, Johnson, Watto, Krejza
He has dominated attacks which contained the best of Australia's at the time. And imagine he cracked two hundreds when he was not even 20, on some of the toughest conditions to bat in.
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Only 2 of those attacks were great attacks. The rest were ok to good.
Y do u Tendy fans take it so personal when someone compares him to other greats of his time??
 
Pigeon

Pigeon

Banned
subshakerz said:
It should be remembered that Moin Khan missed a simple stumping chance of Tendulkar in that innings when he was on 90. So both Lara and Tendulkar were given lives, but lara made his count.
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Lara wouldn't have made it to the ground with the sort of injuries TEndulkar was sporting
 
MrIncredible

MrIncredible

U19 Cricketer
Pigeon said:
Check out the 99 series in Australia. He would have averaged even more but for 2 terrible decisions which went the other way.

In 2004, Tendulkar was coming out (prematuredly) off a terrible injury. He should never have played in that series.

Tendulkar faced enough of Warne to more than prove a point. I agree he didn't face McGrath more in tests. Such a shame. I am sure the odds would be on Tendulkar retaining more or less the same records even if he had faced McGrath. Remember it is a dead even in ODIs when they faced off. :)
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Likewise for Lara for the last Series he played in oz b4 his retirement. He got some shockers but still averaged 50 + against Mcwarne. I agree Tendy dominated Warne but imo Mcgrath was a diff kettle of fish altogether.

ps Lara also dominated Warne
 
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