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[honestbharani]

its why overthinking does not always work.. I mean I understand sending one leftie in coz it was in the 8th or 9th over or whatever. But when they sent in Dube, I just couldn't believe my eyes.

 

[Nintendo]

Forgot morris was a genuinely good hitter, good to see him showing up.

 

[Jack1]

its why overthinking does not always work.. I mean I understand sending one leftie in coz it was in the 8th or 9th over or whatever. But when they sent in Dube, I just couldn't believe my eyes.

De Villiers should never be batting below 4 in that team in any circumstance. Criminal to bat him 6.

 

[honestbharani]

De Villiers should never be batting below 4 in that team in any circumstance. Criminal to bat him 6.

No, I mean, it is bad to not bat him 4 in the first place. But I am more open to teams experimenting when they have some points behind them, but surely doubling down on an experiment that already failed was just silly.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

I've not watched any of the match but the scorecard makes it abundantly clear that this De Villiers fella shouldn't have batted any higher than 8.

 

[JOJOXI]

Understand bringing in a left hander as I believe ABD has a weaker record v legspin and it feels like M Ashwin always does well v us and probably ABD so can understand sending in a left hander to negotiate the legspin overs. Worth mentioning too that ABDV had 46 balls of innings left v KKR and 81 today had he come in at 4 so it is very much a different situation he was coming into today if he batted at 4 then the last game that was cited by commentators.

I'm not such a big believer in best players bat at the top regardless of anything else - you look at RR - great top 3 on paper in Buttler, Stokes and Smith but get through that and their batting looks pretty vulnerable. I don't think you can complain about teams being too top heavy batting but then effectively demand that very thing as the commentators have especially when it's clear there are not many great middle order batsman around in the IPL - see the big fee that Maxwell demands each year despite his pretty average returns in the IPL and Uthappa and Tripathi are being shoved out of position into the RR middle order.

So with that in mind I can see why they brought in a left-hander at 4 - I might have picked Dube instead of Sundar as you have Morris and Udana as decent hitters (and that isn't just because of today) but I guess it depends on what they saw as a par score on a tricky pitch but defending tiny boundaries. I was perplexed they didn't bring him in at 5 though with 57 balls remaining at that point I presumed he wasn't at 100% fitness wise or something but that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[JOJOXI]

Will be interesting to see how Gayle does, Sundar on straight away

 

[JOJOXI]

Understand bringing in a left hander as I believe ABD has a weaker record v legspin and it feels like M Ashwin always does well v us and probably ABD so can understand sending in a left hander to negotiate the legspin overs. Worth mentioning too that ABDV had 46 balls of innings left v KKR and 81 today had he come in at 4 so it is very much a different situation he was coming into today if he batted at 4 then the last game that was cited by commentators.

I'm not such a big believer in best players bat at the top regardless of anything else - you look at RR - great top 3 on paper in Buttler, Stokes and Smith but get through that and their batting looks pretty vulnerable. I don't think you can complain about teams being too top heavy batting but then effectively demand that very thing as the commentators have especially when it's clear there are not many great middle order batsman around in the IPL - see the big fee that Maxwell demands each year despite his pretty average returns in the IPL and Uthappa and Tripathi are being shoved out of position into the RR middle order.

So with that in mind I can see why they brought in a left-hander at 4 - I might have picked Dube instead of Sundar as you have Morris and Udana as decent hitters (and that isn't just because of today) but I guess it depends on what they saw as a par score on a tricky pitch but defending tiny boundaries. I was perplexed they didn't bring him in at 5 though with 57 balls remaining at that point I presumed he wasn't at 100% fitness wise or something but that doesn't seem to be the case.

To add that point, we've scored at 6.9rpo in the middle orders where it has often been Kohli and ABDV batting. Actually done better then average in that phase today, whilst I think giving ABDV only 4 overs is not getting the most out of him, I can see why they played him at 5, Sundar and Dube effectively got the same result in the middle overs as the top 4 have been getting in the middle orders whilst it also increases the likelihood that ABDV would be batting at the death where he can make the real difference.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Does Chris Gayle get to smoke up while these tournaments are in progress?

 

[Arachnodouche]

To add that point, we've scored at 6.9rpo in the middle orders where it has often been Kohli and ABDV batting. Actually done better then average in that phase today, whilst I think giving ABDV only 4 overs is not getting the most out of him, I can see why they played him at 5, Sundar and Dube effectively got the same result in the middle overs as the top 4 have been getting in the middle orders whilst it also increases the likelihood that ABDV would be batting at the death where he can make the real difference.

Well, whatever the thinking was, looks like they came up a good 30 runs short. Also, there's a case to be made for sustaining the momentum which he had from that crazy last knock. As good as he is, you can't expect him to come in with four overs left and start hitting out on these slow pitches.

 

[honestbharani]

RCB is just so stupid..

 

[Arachnodouche]

The heck is this crap

 

[JOJOXI]

Will respond to above message in a minute but wow I was just happy our NRR wasn't going to take a massive hit, suddenly we've made this a tense match

 

[JOJOXI]

Ooh not a million miles from absolutely messing that up on the final ball KXIP

 

[MW1304]

So close to maybe the most comically unnecessary choke of all time.

What were they doing, protecting their red ink? They were barely trying to hit a run for the last few overs? One hit in anger would have finished it, but they just arrogantly assumed they were going to win regardless of what shots they played. There were 9 wickets in hand! Play a shot ffs.

I so wish they'd lost that, it would have been hilarious.

 

[Nintendo]

So close to maybe the most comically unnecessary choke of all time.

What were they doing, protecting their red ink? They were barely trying to hit a run for the last few overs? One hit in anger would have finished it, but they just arrogantly assumed they were going to win regardless of what shots they played. There were 9 wickets in hand! Play a shot ffs.

I so wish they'd lost that, it would have been hilarious.

Would have been a worse choke then kxip's last game, which would have been a massive achievement to be fair.

 

[JOJOXI]

Well, whatever the thinking was, looks like they came up a good 30 runs short. Also, there's a case to be made for sustaining the momentum which he had from that crazy last knock. As good as he is, you can't expect him to come in with four overs left and start hitting out on these slow pitches.

Oh yeah not saying he should have come in at 6 just that I understand why he didn't come in at 4, I thought 57 balls remaining would give him and Kohli a few overs to get set before setting off at the end. With Kohli and ABDV understanding their importance to the RCB batting they tend to rein themselves in during the middle overs and that's probably especially likely with potentially 6.3 overs on the bounce of legspin. Also sending someone in at 4 with 81 balls remaining means unless they do awfully we don't miss out in the middle overs and potentially even score quicker (compared to if Kohli and ABD were in - we are the slowest scoring side in the middle overs after all) whilst still likely giving ABDV overs to get in before the death overs and a better chance of being there at the end when he can make the big difference then if he came in at the 7th over. If the number 4 batsman ends up playing 25/30 balls they've in most cases probably played a good innings anyway, if they get out early you've not lost out on much as plenty of finishers in our team even if Dube/Sundar get out early at number 4.

Whilst no one (including me) would've batted an eyelid if ABDV came in at 4 I can understand the thinking, what I don't understand so much is not sending him in at 5 when it seemed a perfect time that he could play himself in before the death overs. I wonder if smaller boundaries played a part too, whilst we still got some 2s, ABDV and Kohli wouldn't be able to get as many 2s in the middle overs as if they were playing at Dubai or Abu Dhabi so lets get somewhat in who can play themselves in a bit then play with a bit more freedom.

 

[Nintendo]

Dinesh kartik has given kkr captaincy to eoin Morgan going forward, surprising nobody.

 

[honestbharani]

I understand but surely the obvious joke with BMac as the coach should be made, right? ?

 

[Arachnodouche]

Morgan's looked strangely listless and out of it this season. But I'm scrolling through his record in previous seasons, and he's never quite done justice to his reputation, has he? Mediocre strike rate and not many runs; is it because he comes low down with not many overs left? Maybe the captaincy will do him good.