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**Official** India v Pakistan

shoot_me

School Boy/Girl Captain
Dasa said:
Umm, this is Test cricket. Gambhir got out slogging - not acceptable in Tests. The scoring rate doesn't matter that much when you have 5 days to get a result.
Actually I think Sehwag was more of a slogger than Gambhir because he was very lucky to stay at the crease and at times seemed uncomfortable. On the other hand, Gambhir's innings depicts pure aggression, in my opinion. All his shots were cleanly hit and I'm very impressed. However, fortune favored veeru and he ended up with a century next to his name.
 

shoot_me

School Boy/Girl Captain
Manmohan-Pervez ODI in Kochi

Nilova Roy Chaudhury
New Delhi, March 14, 2005

The government has suggested Kochi — where India and Pakistan will play a one-day international on April 2 — as the preferred venue for the visit of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf. According to a PMO spokesman, the date has been suggested to Islamabad as a slot for which Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will be available.

If Musharraf chooses to travel via New Delhi, Singh will host him over lunch. If he travels directly to Kochi, the prime minister will travel there to join him to watch the cricket.

There is no formal agenda for bilateral talks, the spokesman said. "As far as we are concerned, the Pakistani president is coming to India for a cricket match," the spokesman said.

Musharraf and Singh will talk about many things, including bilateral matters, but not with any pre-set, formal agenda — contrary to what Pakistani foreign office spokesman Jalil Abbas Jilani has said. Jilani suggested there would be formal bilateral talks as the visit was being hosted by the Indian PM.

The two leaders will almost certainly speak of the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus service, set to begin on April 7, though Delhi is apprehensive of a possible delay since Pakistan only started issuing travel permit forms from Monday — a week late.

Meanwhile, the Immigration Department at the Indo-Pak border in Wagah said 34 Pakistani cricket fans had gone missing after their arrival for the cricket Test in Mohali. In the past four days, only 2,720 Pakistani cricket fans of the 2,754 who had come to India last week returned to their country.
 
marc71178 said:
No, I fail to see the difference in class between the Indian pacemen and the Pakistani's.

I suggest some Vitamin A for you immediately!


Jokes aside, India might not have the best pace attack in the world, but its certainly a good one .In contrast Pak pace attack is turning out to be a sick joke.
 
maxpower said:
preparing a greentop for next match I think is somehow gonna backfire on IND.
Yes u are right, i feel the heat already :scared: i mean facinng the likes of legendary Sami, the ever improving Razzak and cricketweb's darling Rana Naveed on a green top will be a nightmare for Indian batting lineup :sweatdrop
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
vandemataram said:
Jokes aside, India might not have the best pace attack in the world, but its certainly a good one .
Sorry, but you just said jokes aside then contradicted yourself.
 

Unattainableguy

State 12th Man
vandemataram said:
Jokes aside, India might not have the best pace attack in the world, but its certainly a good one .In contrast Pak pace attack is turning out to be a sick joke.
Shouldn't you appreciate the weak Pakistan bowling attack instead of criticizing it? You guys can't handle a few players (Akmal, Inzamam, Youhanna, Razzaq), and I wonder if you would be any competitive at all if all of the 11 players could bat consistently enough and if all injured Pakistani bowlers came back.

Clearly your bowling is so great it didn't win your team the match it should have one. Now this stands out be a sick joke.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Dasa said:
Umm, this is Test cricket. Gambhir got out slogging - not acceptable in Tests. The scoring rate doesn't matter that much when you have 5 days to get a result.
Slogging is not acceptable in either form of the game. While the shot played was wrong, the intent was definitely right. By scoring quickly, he could give the middle-order time to settle. The Australians, who make a habit of winning nearly every Test series they play, score quickly to give their bowlers enough time to bowl the opposition out twice. What they do, and what Gamhir tried to do, would help their teams more than the laboured efforts of Tendulkar, Ganguly and Laxman.
 

shoot_me

School Boy/Girl Captain
vandemataram said:
Yes u are right, i feel the heat already i mean facinng the likes of legendary Sami, the ever improving Razzak and cricketweb's darling Rana Naveed on a green top will be a nightmare for Indian batting lineup
Actually he's right. Do you really think that the Indian bowling attack of Mohali will be successful? The one man who bowled well was Lakshmipathy Balaji and because of his performance, the attack was overrated and called a superb pace trio in the beginning when in reality, Zaheer and Irfan were bowling pure crap. Harbhajan Singh has a great record at Eden Garden but ignoring this, Sourav Ganguly has just about confirmed that Zaheer will not be dropped---THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
shoot_me said:
Actually he's right. Do you really think that the Indian bowling attack of Mohali will be successful? The one man who bowled well was Lakshmipathy Balaji and because of his performance, the attack was overrated and called a superb pace trio in the beginning when in reality, Zaheer and Irfan were bowling pure crap. Harbhajan Singh has a great record at Eden Garden but ignoring this, Sourav Ganguly has just about confirmed that Zaheer will not be dropped---THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME.
Conservative cowards.....

On another forum, someone suggested playing 5 bowlers. Not a bad suggestion, since at least 20 'dry weight' overs can be bowled by that fifth bowler. That said, let Sehwag bowl those overs- he can't do worse than the bowlers who bowled those wicketless overs.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
The Indians could solve at least half their problems of taking 20 wickets if all of them were fully functional on the field.
 

mofo123

U19 12th Man
why cant we just appriciate the efforts of the players and compliament there vigour, rather then being sarcastic and negative abt virtually every move they make, now far be it for me to talk but i think both captains and coachs knw abt the game and conditions a lot better then we do, so y r we double guessing them they have experience playing we have experience watching...big difference im looking forward to a good test, but im not sure weather pakistan wil recieve a warm welcome from kolkata as they did in mohali...that will b a very sad affair if it is true...hopefully i will proven wrong...anyway heres to a great series in the making.
 

mofo123

U19 12th Man
rana out of the test, khallil in and inzi has promised younis khan will ont b dropped that leave salman butt who may make way for afridi? or hameed? id prefer taufeeq being dropped he is gud but i wanna give salman an extended run...
 

Mecnun

U19 Debutant
mofo123 said:
rana out of the test, khallil in and inzi has promised younis khan will ont b dropped that leave salman butt who may make way for afridi? or hameed? id prefer taufeeq being dropped he is gud but i wanna give salman an extended run...
younis wont be dropped?!! : (

Dropping Salamn is unfair.. He has been doing okay with the exception of the last test. Rana out for Khalil? Well that is interesting..Ca'nt say I agree with it, Rana maybe the defintion of medocrity however he has more going for him than Khalil, both in terms of experince and reverse swing.. I want Taufeeq dropped too, but he was just brought back so atleast he should get a few chances..

here would be my team:
Butt
Taufeeq
Afridi
Yoyo
Inzy
Kamal
Akmal
Sami
Rana
Danish
Razzler

Sami, rana and Razzler although not the greatest pace bowling trio ever to grace a field of cricket will provide adequate variety in absence of shabir, shoaib, Gul.. If the wicket is green as rumored then these three should do allright!! btw whay do you think the wicket prepeared is green (to counter Danish?) ;) I digress.. so that leaves Danish and Afridi to take advantage if teh wicket does crumble and offer some assistance in the later innings..

Taufeeq knows he has to come good and will try harder, Butt will be trying likewise, Afridi can set the calcutta ground alight if he fires (no pun intended) .. Yoyo and Inzy are old stalwarts..and if one of them fires along with Kamal or akmla/razzler..it could turn out to be an interseting duel indeed..
 

thehellraiser

School Boy/Girl Captain
People!!!!!!!!!!!

I am back!!!!!

Been trying to log on for ages but problem with the server or something.....oh forget it....

first thing is first - Tremendous performance by Akmal and Razzaq. They showed character to save the test. This has to be one of the biggest fightbacks in the history of the game. Pakistan have again shown that you cannot underestimate them. After the 1st test result the Pakistanis have the advantage. To save the match from such a hopeless situation (10-3) is absolutely amazing. COME ON PAKISTAN.

Secondly, I dont think that either Butt or Umar should be dropped. If anyone has to go then it should be Khan (although I really hold him in high regard and hope that he gets a century in the second test to prove everyone wrong). I think afridi has to find a plae in the playing eleven - as he will provide an extra option with the ball.

If Rana is injured then Pakistan might think about going into the match with Arshad Khan as an option- his height might prove to be an advantage.

Whatever the team Bob and Inzi pick tomorrow I am sure that if they play withthe same heart that they showed in Mohali - there maybe a few surprises in store.
 

thehellraiser

School Boy/Girl Captain
mofo123 said:
why cant we just appriciate the efforts of the players and compliament there vigour, rather then being sarcastic and negative abt virtually every move they make, now far be it for me to talk but i think both captains and coachs knw abt the game and conditions a lot better then we do, so y r we double guessing them they have experience playing we have experience watching...big difference im looking forward to a good test, but im not sure weather pakistan wil recieve a warm welcome from kolkata as they did in mohali...that will b a very sad affair if it is true...hopefully i will proven wrong...anyway heres to a great series in the making.

The crowd in Kokata will definately not be as sporting as the one in Mohali or Chennai (99). We may see the closing stages in front of an empty stadium again (Deja vu).

Remember the Pakistanis ahev never lost to the indians on this ground. With all these factors and the swing in momentum - things looking good for Pakistan.
 

Mecnun

U19 Debutant
There is still a chance for Rana..I know he didnt practice and has been told to rest for a week but we may still find him fit to play...If he doent than Arshad is a better bet than Khalil however that puts Afrid's inclusion in doubt in my mind..
 

thehellraiser

School Boy/Girl Captain
India definately have to play Harbhajan.....picking a 3 seam attack is clearly not a feasible option as we saw in Mohali. Khan is not threatening at all and the Pakistanis have started to read the inswinging delivery (to right handers) from Pathan. Balaji bowled well but come on....we all know that he is not going to take 5 wickets again.
 

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