*Official* India Tour of New Zealand 2019

[Athlai]

This was a very chaseable score, think the criticism of the bowling is fairly ott.

 

[vandem]

Yeah, I'm not sure where I stand tbh. My instinct is to bat to 8 but maybe, as you say, the evidence today was to the contrary and the lack of frontline bowlers cost us.

Note that India played an extra all rounder today, and their all-rounder batting at 8 hit 45 (22).

But agree with the "But we do need the batsmen to do their jobs" comment. Not many ODIs are won where the highest score in the top 5 is 39.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Really let the foot off the throat letting India get that score, and some awful batting options taken made it a bit of a gift for India today. Williamson needs to up his game as a captain, I think ... he can’t let things drift like that (although he wasn’t helped by the non-selection of Ferguson today).

Glad the game’s finally finished, these late games for Indian tv are killers. Did a 15k run this morning coz I’m training for a half marathon and felt like I was going to fall asleep virtually the whole match, which admittedly didn’t help.

 

[thierry henry]

You've got to have more faith in your specialists to pull it back. Considering Munro's back on the bench once Guptill's back, what's going to happen in the World Cup if Santner/Astle go for runs in their first few? You are going to have to bowl them, and they'll just have less experience in those situations.

Santner has plenty of experience so I don’t think he needs to bowl just as CWC prep. Not giving Astle more of a go I can agree was bad from a CWC perspective

Strictly in terms of winning today’s game, Munro was the pick of the bowlers in terms of economy through the middle, so you’d only say Astle or Santner should have been bowling if you see them as big wicket takers?

 

[Neil Young]

Santner has plenty of experience so I don’t think he needs to bowl just as CWC prep. Not giving Astle more of a go I can agree was bad from a CWC perspective

Strictly in terms of winning today’s game, Munro was the pick of the bowlers in terms of economy through the middle, so you’d only say Astle or Santner should have been bowling if you see them as big wicket takers?

You're probably right but we shouldn't have been playing the game with only the game in mind.

 

[Mike5181]

This was a very chaseable score, think the criticism of the bowling is fairly ott.

I'm not attributing the loss to the bowling alone or anything, just questioning the 'in the moment' bowling plans Williamson used. The batting side of things is a bit of a dead end as far as discussion goes because it can't really be fixed, this is legitimately the strongest line up we can put out.

 

[Moss]

Exasperating game for a NZ supporter, but I'm glad Henry and Neesham turned up at least. My starting XI would probably be:

Guptill
Nicholls
Williamson
Taylor
Latham
Neesham
de Grandhomme (bit lucky to be there with no real competition for the allrounders slot aside from Bracewell)
Santner
Henry
Ferguson
Boult

Bench:
Sodhi (as Astle is barely afforded any opportunity even when selected, might as well stick with the tried and tested)
Bracewell (though if Anderson is able to put in a late bid would love for him to be there)
Munro (Strictly as cover, too late to try other batting options like Will Young)
Southee (Again strictly as cover)

 

[thierry henry]

You're probably right but we shouldn't have been playing the game with only the game in mind.

I mean...I clearly delineated in my post between what was best for today and what was best for CWC prep

This started with people saying we conceded 250 TODAY because of poor captaincy (bowling Munro in particular) and I’m trying to get my head around which of CDG/Neesh/Astle/Santner was supposed to be likely to outbowl Munro today.

Seems most likely to me that the problem was less who bowled when, and more that we didn’t have any obvious choices to ram home the advantage after Boult and Henry

 

[Flem274*]

all the batsmen and allrounders failed to pass 50 but they wouldn't have been chasing 250 to begin with if we selected a sensible team and bowled ferguson in place of neesh/cdg/munro at 18/4

even with the team structure we went with today (probably to trial all the 5th bowling options) im still spewing we let them off the hook. henry should have nearly bowled out up front.

 

[thierry henry]

I mean...I clearly delineated in my post between what was best for today and what was best for CWC prep

This started with people saying we conceded 250 TODAY because of poor captaincy (bowling Munro in particular) and I’m trying to get my head around which of CDG/Neesh/Astle/Santner was supposed to be likely to outbowl Munro today.

Seems most likely to me that the problem was less who bowled when, and more that we didn’t have any obvious choices to ram home the advantage after Boult and Henry

nm, I hadn’t seen your edit

 

[Flem274*]

fwiw, my squad and team balance

guptill
nicholls
kane (c)
taylor
latham (wk)
neesham
santner
sodhi
henry
ferguson
boult

milne (if fit and bowls well against bangers, otherwise southee i guess)
astle (spin cover)
young (at this point, anyone but munro)
cdg (strictly neesham cover)

that team bats competently enough to #9 for our purposes and neesham is safely the 6th bowler golden arm rather than an intergral part of the attack. santner is a containing bowler and the other 4 are all wicket takers which is what we need to get through powerful batting line ups that can't be contained by filth on roads.

our world cup batting quality will be decided by the top 6 no matter our balance because those blokes are the best 6 odi batsmen in the country

the 4 reserve spots and henrys spot are still up in the air imo but if i had to pick a team tonight that would be it. im also happy for a quick to make a late run for sodhi's spot

 

[NZTailender]

Astle probably deserved a second over after his first went for 4. He might not have taken a bag but he might've found some rhythm earlier and not gone for 3x6 later in the death overs. But it's all very moot now. Plus, we needed a genuine strike bowler in there at first change.

In any case, well played India. One match struggle aside (minus 3 key players) you outplayed us. Getting a good wake up call now with one more ODI series to go before the WC, is better than getting one during it.

 

[maggot8210]

That was a pretty **** effort today...
Congratulations India better team, and deserved the 4-1 series win. ����

 

[Flem274*]

how ****ing frightening do india look as a prospect at full strength? shami, bumrah, chahal, kuldeep, pandya as an attack? plus they just casually have the greatest odi bat of all time, a world class opener and some more competent bats including arguably the best odi keeper bat of all time

rip england and other challengers

 

[NZTailender]

Is Southee cooked? Can't help but think you need him in the squad as experience cover. Imagine if Trent goes down and our bowling attack to win the WC is Henry-Ferguson-Sodhi-Santner-Neesham-CdG

 

[Neil Young]

nm, I hadn’t seen your edit

Yeah. I hadn't read your post properly.

 

[Athlai]

Is Southee cooked? Can't help but think you need him in the squad as experience cover. Imagine if Trent goes down and our bowling attack to win the WC is Henry-Ferguson-Sodhi-Santner-Neesham-CdG

Southee will probably play the Bangers ODIs and jam his way into starting in England IMO.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Matt Henry is a white ball gun. That is all.

I'm a big fan. Quality bowler. If the pitches during the WC have assistance he'll take plenty

 

[The Hutt Rec]

I mean...I clearly delineated in my post between what was best for today and what was best for CWC prep

This started with people saying we conceded 250 TODAY because of poor captaincy (bowling Munro in particular) and I’m trying to get my head around which of CDG/Neesh/Astle/Santner was supposed to be likely to outbowl Munro today.

Seems most likely to me that the problem was less who bowled when, and more that we didn’t have any obvious choices to ram home the advantage after Boult and Henry

Well that I can agree with.

 

[harsh.ag]

So what do India do when / if Pandya is injured? Kumar batting #7 seems a little high. Jadeja at #7, and play a 3rd specialist seamer and only 1 of Chahal / Yadav?

Yup.