*Official* India Tour of New Zealand 2019

[vcs]

Pandya is definitely a must-have for our ODI team. Gun finisher when he comes off.

Dhawan
Sharma
Kohli
Rayudu
Jadhav
Dhoni (wk)
Pandya
Kuldeep
Chahal
Shami/Bhuvi
Bumrah

Two many right-handers in the middle order and Rayudu and Jadhav are not quite top-quality but I guess this is the best we've got.

 

[Zinzan]

@ Phlem, the problem with Santner coming in at 7 with a decent chunk of overs to go, is he's odds-on to dot up to something like 6 off 18 balls and only if he comes off hitting out at the end would he catch it up. That's where you'd lose 15-20 runs with the bat. Whereas if Santner comes in with less than 5 overs to go and has a free licence from the get-go, he's value.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

@ Phlem, the problem with Santner coming in at 7 with a decent chunk of overs to go, is he's odds-on to dot up to something like 6 off 18 balls and only if he comes off hitting out at the end would he catch it up. That's where you'd lose 15-20 runs with the bat. Whereas if Santner comes in with less than 5 overs to go and has a free licence from the get-go, he's value.

don't think anyone disagrees, it's just whether you think the extra legit bowling option is worth more

 

[Zinzan]

I'm certain that this allrounder stacking is more a matter of giving them a chance to state their case rather than this being our actual team balance for the world cup. If Boult, Henry, Ferguson, Santner isn't our core bowling lineup then we're idiots.

I don't see Henry as a lock at all, just because he got a couple up-front today. He's just as likely in his next game to spray it all over the place, and have his natural length hammered with ease.

Also, since when has Henry offered anything more but wickets upfront? And he only gets them when the conditions are in his favour. If ODI wickets were generally like day 1 Test wickets, I'd be all for Henry playing more often than not, but pitches in England will generally be flat.

 

[harsh.ag]

Pandya

Absolute gun. His boundary off that Neesham yorker is how the best of the best score runs in the late overs. Excellent batting mind.

 

[Zinzan]

don't think anyone disagrees, it's just whether you think the extra legit bowling option is worth more

Well yeah, which is why I'm surprised how adamant you are on the bowling-heavy/batting-lite side being so clearly & conclusively the better option. I see it as 6 one-way, and half a dozen the other, but marginally favour the batting-heavy approach.

Edit: That reply was directed at Phlem

 

[Zinzan]

BTW, so when did India become a better fielding out-fit than NZ. Correlation with Hesson no longer there? I don't recall us shelling this many opportunities for decades.

 

[Grasshopper]

BTW, so when did India become a better fielding out-fit than NZ. Correlation with Hesson no longer there? I don't recall us shelling this many opportunities for decades.

Yes, there's been a significant decline in fielding standards and especially catching. Kudos to India though, they've really upped this facet of their game.

 

[Flem274*]

did the conditions really get easier, or did we switch to bowlers who weren't in boult and henry's league?

it was obvious to me how much easier neesham, cdg etc were for the batsmen as soon as the change came.

do i think ferguson (or the bowler of your choice) would have come on and taken 3fer like you ask? yes, because that's his job and that's what real bowlers do. they take wickets.

10-15 runs? i don't even

this obssession with number 8 batsmen is literally the dumbest thing in the modern game, especially since england and their norounders often bat to #10 sometimes anyway. batting deep is already a bum covering move to hide either or both of a weak top order or weak bowling.

if you need your #8 to score significant runs then your team sucks and shouldn't bother going to the world cup. every team at the world cup needs to bowl 50 overs. neesham, cdg et al aren't good enough to bowl at odi level to a non get smashed standard.

englands greatest victory is they've tricked every team into trying to be them and forgetting that real bowling and real batting wins world cups, not #8s and #9 batsmen.

 

[ankitj]

So 3 specialist bowlers? India aren't defending this.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

I don't see Henry as a lock at all, just because he got a couple up-front today. He's just as likely in his next game to spray it all over the place, and have his natural length hammered with ease.

Also, since when has Henry offered anything more but wickets upfront? And he only gets them when the conditions are in his favour. If ODI wickets were generally like day 1 Test wickets, I'd be all for Henry playing more often than not, but pitches in England will generally be flat.

I would have rathered shelving both henry and southee and giving other blokes a go ages a go but I'd rather him to southee. I've backtracked on ferguson taking the new pill since it nullifies him having to bowl with an unfavourable wind all the time, him following up at boult's end is perfect.

 

[halba]

I would have rathered shelving both henry and southee and giving other blokes a go ages a go but I'd rather him to southee. I've backtracked on ferguson taking the new pill since it nullifies him having to bowl with an unfavourable wind all the time, him following up at boult's end is perfect.

the indian batting lineup doesnt look too settled to me.
rayudu while a good knock, wasted over 60 balls, thats 10 overs.
jadhav/shankar also wasted a lot of balls.
they need someone at top to open with rohit, like pant, who gives the X factor like a gilly. Dhawan is too hot and too cold.
virat kohli - shows his importance, he's another X factor.
they need to move pandya up the order to boost the run rate, as he's a bowler, they might as well, even if his wicket is lost doesnt matter. He's also an X factor.
X factor players are important to win world cups.
Gill wont be getting any more games(rotation system) till after the world cup, but they should try him atleast 5-10 games and see, as he's the so called most hyped talent in the country.

 

[Zinzan]

KW nearly plays on again.

 

[Moss]

KW nearly playing on then, again. Should bide his time against the new ball here.

 

[CM Punk]

Kane has been worked out, he really needs to look to other areas to score especially when he's gotten out so many times playing behind square.

 

[Moss]

This is the sort of field I expect opposing captains to straightaway start with against Williamson, so will be interesting to see his approach here.

 

[Zinzan]

did the conditions really get easier, or did we switch to bowlers who weren't in boult and henry's league?

it was obvious to me how much easier neesham, cdg etc were for the batsmen as soon as the change came.

do i think ferguson (or the bowler of your choice) would have come on and taken 3fer like you ask? yes, because that's his job and that's what real bowlers do. they take wickets.

10-15 runs? i don't even

this obssession with number 8 batsmen is literally the dumbest thing in the modern game, especially since england and their norounders often bat to #10 sometimes anyway. batting deep is already a bum covering move to hide either or both of a weak top order or weak bowling.

if you need your #8 to score significant runs then your team sucks and shouldn't bother going to the world cup. every team at the world cup needs to bowl 50 overs. neesham, cdg et al aren't good enough to bowl at odi level to a non get smashed standard.

englands greatest victory is they've tricked every team into trying to be them and forgetting that real bowling and real batting wins world cups, not #8s and #9 batsmen.

Only you're exaggerating the point. 4 specialist bowlers has generally been suffice.

Last 3 WCs....

Australia 2015: Specialist bowlers - 3 in Starc, Johnson & Hazelwood ( 4 if I'm charitable and give you Faulkner), and batting all-rounders/part-timers Watson & Maxwell making up 10 overs.
India 2011: Specialist bowlers - 4 in Zaheer, Sreesanth, Munaf Patel & Harby & then batting all-rounders/partimers Yuvraj, Tendulkar & Kohli sharing 10.
Australia 2007: The closest to 5 specialist bowling with Tait, McGrath, Bracken, Hogg & batting all-rounders Watson & Symonds sharing 10.

 

[CM Punk]

Munro is such a hack.

I knew he was going to chop on.

 

[Moss]

Beh, Munro is just simply his own worst enemy.

 

[Flem274*]

rip munro