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HowsThat

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
India has a great team now, and what really turned this team to a top one is the presence of 3 world class allrounders.India lacked allrounders since a long time, and after a long time India has three very good ones in Dhoni ,Pathan and Powar!!
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Nice win for India. Good to see the team being able to adapt to the conditions and playing well. Imran Khan made an interesting observation during the pre match analysis that this wicket and this ground were more like the grounds and pitches in Sri Lanka. And since Pak have just come off a series there, they perhaps adapted better than India. Seeing the size of the ground and the slowness of the wicket and the outfield (it did improve in the second game), I do think this ground was more like the ones in Sri Lanka than the ones in India or Pakistan.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
honestbharani said:
Nice win for India. Good to see the team being able to adapt to the conditions and playing well. Imran Khan made an interesting observation during the pre match analysis that this wicket and this ground were more like the grounds and pitches in Sri Lanka. And since Pak have just come off a series there, they perhaps adapted better than India. Seeing the size of the ground and the slowness of the wicket and the outfield (it did improve in the second game), I do think this ground was more like the ones in Sri Lanka than the ones in India or Pakistan.
I hope we are clear as to the opening slot.

Is Rahul going to open ALWAYS till Tendulkar comes back. If not we must get Uthappa to open regularly. If Uthappa isnt considered good enough and Rahul treats himself as just a VERY temporary arrangement then we need someone else. This present arrangement wont do.

It looks as if Agarkar is being looked upon as a certainity for the world cup. I am surprised if that is so but it looks like it. If so, then we need to give more chances to those out of the first three viz Pathan, Sreesanth and Agarkar. If we keep playing these three then the others, who are rookies as it is, may end up very short of required exposure.

Its not clear as to whats happening with Balaji.

The team is building up nicely but is this the final shape of the squad? The board could have afforded to take another player or two to West Indies to expose them to conditions. We are one of the lucky nations playing in the Carribean in the next 12 months. Shouldnt we have made better use of the opportunity?
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
SJS said:
I hope we are clear as to the opening slot.

Is Rahul going to open ALWAYS till Tendulkar comes back. If not we must get Uthappa to open regularly. If Uthappa isnt considered good enough and Rahul treats himself as just a VERY temporary arrangement then we need someone else. This present arrangement wont do.

It looks as if Agarkar is being looked upon as a certainity for the world cup. I am surprised if that is so but it looks like it. If so, then we need to give more chances to those out of the first three viz Pathan, Sreesanth and Agarkar. If we keep playing these three then the others, who are rookies as it is, may end up very short of required exposure.

Its not clear as to whats happening with Balaji.

The team is building up nicely but is this the final shape of the squad? The board could have afforded to take another player or two to West Indies to expose them to conditions. We are one of the lucky nations playing in the Carribean in the next 12 months. Shouldnt we have made better use of the opportunity?
Balaji is just getting back to club cricket now. So that question is answered. I think Rahul opens whenever he doesn't have two specialist openers in the squad. I think he just picks the best 6 in form batsmen and then decides the batting order, not necessarily a bad thing in ODIs with almost no ODI being played on anything close to a greentop. And I think the board and the selectors probably reckon that the side they picked is the one that might play in the WC as well. Obviously, Sachin will come back but that will be it, I reckon. Maybe Gambhir and Kaarthick could have a shout in.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
honestbharani said:
Balaji is just getting back to club cricket now. So that question is answered. I think Rahul opens whenever he doesn't have two specialist openers in the squad. I think he just picks the best 6 in form batsmen and then decides the batting order, not necessarily a bad thing in ODIs with almost no ODI being played on anything close to a greentop. And I think the board and the selectors probably reckon that the side they picked is the one that might play in the WC as well. Obviously, Sachin will come back but that will be it, I reckon. Maybe Gambhir and Kaarthick could have a shout in.
Frankly, I am happy if Rahul opens. I think he should always be one of the openers. the other can be Sachin, Sehwag or Uthappa depending upon availability and form. But if one is going to be troubled by form/sorted out by bowlers (read Sehwag) and the other is a case of musical chairs, its not a great thing.

The difference between the first and the second ODI in Abu Dhabi was the opening stand. It could be crucial in big games as it was in the world cup semis against Pakistan.

Rahul is ideal in technique. He is in very good form and needs to playe more overs. He is not a great guy to come in and start banging so he may actually be awkward if he had to come in certain situations lower down.

I think Rahul opening with Sachin may be a very good idea with Sehwag at three and Yuvraj at four and Raina at five. This gives a very solid look to the top order and then Dhoni and Pathan to follow (they can always come earlier if required).
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
SJS said:
Frankly, I am happy if Rahul opens. I think he should always be one of the openers. the other can be Sachin, Sehwag or Uthappa depending upon availability and form. But if one is going to be troubled by form/sorted out by bowlers (read Sehwag) and the other is a case of musical chairs, its not a great thing.

The difference between the first and the second ODI in Abu Dhabi was the opening stand. It could be crucial in big games as it was in the world cup semis against Pakistan.

Rahul is ideal in technique. He is in very good form and needs to playe more overs. He is not a great guy to come in and start banging so he may actually be awkward if he had to come in certain situations lower down.

I think Rahul opening with Sachin may be a very good idea with Sehwag at three and Yuvraj at four and Raina at five. This gives a very solid look to the top order and then Dhoni and Pathan to follow (they can always come earlier if required).
yeah, but if Rahul and Sachin do happen, Sachin has to assume the role that he hasn't assumed recently, that of the guy who has to go for the bowling. Personally, I am fine with Sachin and Sehwag opening and Rahul at 3 with Rahul going up to open whenever one of the openers isn't available due to injury/poor form.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
honestbharani said:
yeah, but if Rahul and Sachin do happen, Sachin has to assume the role that he hasn't assumed recently, that of the guy who has to go for the bowling. Personally, I am fine with Sachin and Sehwag opening and Rahul at 3 with Rahul going up to open whenever one of the openers isn't available due to injury/poor form.
I suspect that we may not see the 8-9 runs per over kind of starts that Sachin and Sehwag used to give us earlier irrespective of who opens. That kind of an explosive start will more often than not mean smaller opening partnerships with Sachin showing signs of age and Sehwag somewhat exposed in technique.

A more sedate start of 5 runs or so with the stroke players that we now have in the middle and lower middle order and the consistency of Yuvraj, Raina, Dhoni and Pathan added to Sehwag and the openers may be a more sure way of getting consistently high scores.
 

viktor

State Vice-Captain
Rahul and Sachin opening makes us very top heavy, IMO. If we lose both of them early, we are left with the less experienced batsmen who wouldn't be able to do a rebuilding as well as Rahul can.
 

Dravid

International Captain
In my opinion Rahul opening is def not a problem. Dravid used to be a number 3 batsman, and as a number 3 batsman your pretty much an opener because you could be out there the second ball of the game. And Rahul is doing good in opening so he should stay untill Sachin comes back. And far as Uthappa and Sehwag go, their spot should be decided on form because we already have players who can open, so we don't want two openers in the team. India should also try out Gambhir once more as an opening partner before the world cup. I really liked his game and I think he could help India win a lot of games in the future.

And I think India need to find a player set at number 3 bfore the world cup. Changing them around in the world cup would cause major problem in the team chemistry and could cause them to lose the game. I think Pathan should go a few straight games at number 3 and then Dhoni should go a few straight games and see who is a better candidate.
 

kvemuri

U19 12th Man
honestbharani said:
And the doubters finally see the light. ;) :p
Not me...he had 2 good games..meaning he will be selected for the next 50 games and he won;t perform in at least 44 of them ;)
 

kvemuri

U19 12th Man
SJS said:
Frankly, I am happy if Rahul opens. I think he should always be one of the openers. the other can be Sachin, Sehwag or Uthappa depending upon availability and form. But if one is going to be troubled by form/sorted out by bowlers (read Sehwag) and the other is a case of musical chairs, its not a great thing.

The difference between the first and the second ODI in Abu Dhabi was the opening stand. It could be crucial in big games as it was in the world cup semis against Pakistan.

Rahul is ideal in technique. He is in very good form and needs to playe more overs. He is not a great guy to come in and start banging so he may actually be awkward if he had to come in certain situations lower down.

I think Rahul opening with Sachin may be a very good idea with Sehwag at three and Yuvraj at four and Raina at five. This gives a very solid look to the top order and then Dhoni and Pathan to follow (they can always come earlier if required).
Nah I think RD at one down slot is a better option always and this is especailly true when Sachin comes back. Any opposition will have to take Sachin and Sehwag lightly at their own peril and when these two give a rollicking start, its not easy for an opposition to recover mentally from that and then face the Dravid at one down. With the likes of Yuvi, Raina, Kaif (although he is out of form, I believe in him to bounce back), Dhoni and Pathan to follow, that is a very formidable batting order.

Personally i think Venu is a better test batsmen than ODI batsmen, in fact I feel Laxman is better than Venu in ODIs, so I think we need to look at another young prospect as a middle order batsmen. This new person and the likes of Utappa etc should be in the reserves and given as many opportunities as possible, so if and when Dravid and Sachin hang their boots we are not left with two big holes to fill.
 

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