i completely agree with you! I don't know why a lot of the posters want karthick back! He hasn't done anything! When dhoni was smacking 143 and 183 in the one day games and hit a fifty in his test match debut....everyone was saying that he's the best player around. Now that he has has a few bad scores, you want to get rid of him! That will never happen. He's a fan's favourite in india and there would be a riot if he were to be dropped!Gajanayake said:
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Perm
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I have serious reservations about Dhoni, I've never seen him play but from what I've heard and reading the scorecards and such it seems to me that he is not a very responsible batsman and that he would struggle to build and innings if his team were under trouble. I know he smashed 143 and 183 in ODI's but to me he hasn't really done much in tests. We all know he is a powerful lad who can hit the ball a long way and hit it very hard but I'd like to see some more maturity and responsibility, especially in test's.
Perm said:
u are probably right....but karthick or P.Patel can't really hit more than 20 or 30 runs. Both have had scores of more than 50 on a few occasions but they never look like doing more .They are never players that can take us out of a tight situation. They can only add to a well established score. IMO Dhoni is better than that and definitely better than karthick or patel. I guess he hasn't performed in tests but i think that he needs to be kept in the side for a bit longer.....that being said, if the selectors can find a wicket-keeper that is a better player than karthick or p. Patel, then they should give him a go!
adharcric
International Coach
Dhoni has by no means been a success at the test level. The flat-track hundred gets balanced out by the Mumbai idiocy. He still deserves a full run in South Africa before we look into Karthik as an option. As for Karthik, he is an excellent keeper who is very good with the bat as well. Not as explosive as Dhoni, which is why he gets overshadowed, but he's good enough to be a international keeper-batsman. In ODIs, Dhoni for sure. In tests, Dhoni for now but things could change soon.
silentstriker
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Turbinator
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I actually have a feeling we'll do quite good in this South Africa tour, after all we were quite successful in the World Cup over there.
adharcric
International Coach
Personally, I don't think Pathan should be in the test side period. Even if he bowls well, we only have four and a half bowlers because he doesn't do anything when the ball gets old. So basically we have to bank on him firing early on or else we get nothing. I think a Kumble-Bhajji-Munaf-Sreesanth attack is more than good enough, with Zaheer stepping in for Bhajji on greentops.marc71178 said:
silentstriker
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adharcric said:
Ding ding ding. Sreesanth-Munaf-Zaheer w/ Kumble.
Arjun
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Looking at the Indian ODI side, they can use this series to experiment in areas where they need to improve. No more openers batting down and middle-order at the top or new-ball bowlers coming in second-change. The position of the ODI all-rounder has to be worked out. They can have Ramesh Powar or Joginder Sharma at four (a copy of the Kiwis sending in Styris there) for some time, with Dhoni and Irfan at seven and eight. If Tendulkar is missing this series, they can use it to breed universal openers, not just Test or ODI specialists. The Test opener will have to open the innings here. One unnoticed experiment is that of using value-added bowler Ramesh Powar as a strike bowler, and that will be a massive advantage to the team. Oh yes, we'd also like to see Munaf contributing more on the field and bowling a little faster, and more of Sreesanth and RP Singh.
Then the Test side. There are complaints about Dhoni's batting, but other than that stupid incident in Mumbai, he's got a lot of potential as a frontline batsman. He needs to play for big hundreds and stay at the crease a lot longer. He's got the big shots to make up for lost time, and we saw that in the West Indies. He should be more watchful, and that's a task for Chappell. He may have his problems, but there's nothing that he can't do that a Yuvraj or Kaif can do, and neither of them can keep or bowl 20 overs. Irfan at seven may not be much, but he's certainly more productive than all the wicketkeepers tried in the Indian team for the last seven (or more) years. Kumble is no mug with the bat, and Harbhajan can spring up a surprise.
There are some advocating picking Powar over Harbhajan. While Powar adds value to the team, his performance as a strike bowler has got some experts thinking. Ian Chappell says that Powar's variations and tendency to flight the ball will give him an edge over Harbhajan, who merely thuds the ball in a little faster withlout it doing much. In recent times, although Powar has never played a Test, he's outperformed Harbhajan in ODI's they've played together, but for five wickets the latter got in one match. Besides, as the cliche goes, this is South Africa, not India, so Harbhajan may not be so effective, so that may bring both offies to the same level.
Then the Test side. There are complaints about Dhoni's batting, but other than that stupid incident in Mumbai, he's got a lot of potential as a frontline batsman. He needs to play for big hundreds and stay at the crease a lot longer. He's got the big shots to make up for lost time, and we saw that in the West Indies. He should be more watchful, and that's a task for Chappell. He may have his problems, but there's nothing that he can't do that a Yuvraj or Kaif can do, and neither of them can keep or bowl 20 overs. Irfan at seven may not be much, but he's certainly more productive than all the wicketkeepers tried in the Indian team for the last seven (or more) years. Kumble is no mug with the bat, and Harbhajan can spring up a surprise.
There are some advocating picking Powar over Harbhajan. While Powar adds value to the team, his performance as a strike bowler has got some experts thinking. Ian Chappell says that Powar's variations and tendency to flight the ball will give him an edge over Harbhajan, who merely thuds the ball in a little faster withlout it doing much. In recent times, although Powar has never played a Test, he's outperformed Harbhajan in ODI's they've played together, but for five wickets the latter got in one match. Besides, as the cliche goes, this is South Africa, not India, so Harbhajan may not be so effective, so that may bring both offies to the same level.