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***Official*** India in South Africa 2017/18

Woodster

International Captain
Probably not many "bad" balls but definitely a few overpitched ones that should've been put away. He hit the infield too often with those.
Quite a few short ones outside off stump that other batsmen would have cut as well.
Having seen his team mates perish to deliveries that on a nice flat deck were there for putting away but instead nicked off on these pitches they are clearly not used to, I don't blame him too much during the morning session of play for waiting for the balls he can play right under his eyeline, also match situation has to come in aswell. Good batting for me that.
 

Woodster

International Captain
And supposed attacking batsman Rohit Sharma got 11 off 59 & 10 off 30 against a softer ball. Where was his intent ?

You can just see Kohli loves his favourite mates to pick. Dhawan and him are tight and he has always spoken Rohit up about his style.
Rohit could indeed be considered more culpable as an attacking brand of batting is more suited to him than it is Pujara.
 

OverratedSanity

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Having seen his team mates perish to deliveries that on a nice flat deck were there for putting away but instead nicked off on these pitches they are clearly not used to, I don't blame him too much during the morning session of play for waiting for the balls he can play right under his eyeline, also match situation has to come in aswell. Good batting for me that.
He actually tried to hit them for four but couldn't find the gaps or his timing. It wasn't a conscious choice.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Having seen his team mates perish to deliveries that on a nice flat deck were there for putting away but instead nicked off on these pitches they are clearly not used to, I don't blame him too much during the morning session of play for waiting for the balls he can play right under his eyeline, also match situation has to come in aswell. Good batting for me that.
Yeah if you have literally one shot you can actually score from, that's not good batting.
 

Spark

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Having seen his team mates perish to deliveries that on a nice flat deck were there for putting away but instead nicked off on these pitches they are clearly not used to, I don't blame him too much during the morning session of play for waiting for the balls he can play right under his eyeline, also match situation has to come in aswell. Good batting for me that.
Yeah if you have literally one shot you can actually score from, that's not good batting.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Yeah if you have literally one shot you can actually score from, that's not good batting.
It's not literally one shot is it ? Not pushing out at balls away from your body or being lured into a drive outside off stump on a pitch doing a bit makes perfect sense. Force the bowler to come straighter and work him away, I'm not suggesting you necessarily do that for the enitirety of the day but it seems a logical strategy when it's back to the walls and you are becoming accustomed to conditions.
 

Top Cat

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Ultimately, in 18 matches and 31 innings outside the subcontinent he has scored only one hundred, and only 3 fifties. Out of 31 innings, passing 50 4 times is really really poor. There's only one innings of note and that was his 153 in South Africa in 2013. Pujara does have good mental strength but his technique and record away from home/Sri Lanka does not justify a lot of the fan following which seems to compare him with Dravid. Not sure why Kohli gets more flak than Pujara for his technique, while Kohli has 8 hundreds outside the subcontinent at an average of 44, which includes a poor series in England.

Vijay, Kohli, KL Rahul and Rahane are the key players. Hopefully Pujara improves his away game. I just think his footwork is very tentative and he stays on the backfoot, scoring very few runs down the ground in the V.

Shikhar Dhawan has pretty comparable away stats to Pujara but for some reason he's labelled a flat track bully while Pujara is some great technician.
 
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Arachnodouche

International Captain
They're all ****ing stupid and unoriginal. The last real student of the game we had was Dravid. Kohli's a fine batsman but has nowhere near the gravitas to appreciate the finer points. Intent isn't even a term of his making, he's just copying Australian media gobbledygook. Someone should ask him to define "intent"; I'm sure he'll say - and feel smug and smarmy as he does - how it isn't about attacking only, but how you can meet the ball positively, how you can leave the ball even with "intent". ****ing new age sport psychology mumbo jumbo is all it is.
 

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This gets better and better. Apparently Bhuvi only made the team because Ishant fell ill.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/india-in-south-africa/unwell-ishant-sharma-made-way-for-bhuvneshwar-kumar-in-1st-test/articleshow/62453104.cms

Bhuvi is actually their 5th choice seamer behind Shami, Hardik, Ishant and Bumrah. Bumrah, a guy who hadn't played a single test in his career and hadn't played in an FC game for over a year was guaranteed a spot ahead of a guy who averages in the mid 20s in test cricket.

This team is run by exceedingly stupid people.
ToI is India's Daily Mail/Sun equivalent, let's not take their word for gospel.
 

veganbob

U19 Captain
Lol at the people suggesting India should drop a bowler and pick another batsman. Way to go, drop a player from the medium / fast bowling unit that did more than what was required. Had India chased the score down it would have been talked about as one of the best indian bowling performances ever. The main problem was their stars- virat and pujara did not perform.

Dropping a bowler now (unless they drop ashwin and pick another seamer) would send a terrible message and be the most negative possible decision india would make.

Just swap rohit sharma for rahane , dhawan for Rahul.

If india are 50/4 again , a extra batsman isnt gonna win them the test. India need top 5 to perform and if they do their extra batsman will just be a waste, if they dont it will still most likely be a waste.

5 bowlers or series over for India.
 

veganbob

U19 Captain
A lot outrage over pujara maybe being dropped. While I would rather drop dhawan, Pujara's overseas stats are hardly flash. Outside india and srilanka he averages 28... thats over 31 innings too, so hardly that special away from home.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
It's not literally one shot is it ? Not pushing out at balls away from your body or being lured into a drive outside off stump on a pitch doing a bit makes perfect sense. Force the bowler to come straighter and work him away, I'm not suggesting you necessarily do that for the enitirety of the day but it seems a logical strategy when it's back to the walls and you are becoming accustomed to conditions.
If you don't play at anything outside off stump, can't cut, can't pull, and refuse to drive, that leaves you with exactly scoring zone: leg-stump half volleys. Not a sustainable strategy in Test cricket.
 

Daemon

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Forcing them to come straight and tucking them away off your hips/legs is a legitimate strategy. It's not like Pujara is literally not going to score off anything else.

It is a valid concern that he isn't scoring runs and has limited strokeplay but you can't see 25 (70) or whatever and think oh he'd get more runs if he had a few more shots when it might be that he only gets to 70 balls precisly because he doesn't play the shots while his teammates are gifting away their wickets on the other end.
 

atishvaze

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News from SAF-pitch has brown grass, will help lateral movement unlike normal in Centurion. Ind considering @ajinkyarahane88 for Ravi Aswin.

8:26 PM - Jan 11, 2018

Last time India played a test match without spinner, they lost by an inning.
 

Daemon

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Cribb will be shattered. Of all things the highlight for him was seeing how Ashwin would go in the series.
 

Prince EWS

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Cribb will be shattered. Of all things the highlight for him was seeing how Ashwin would go in the series.
"Bat with a needle, bowl a few innocuous overs and then get dropped for a batsman" is kind of instructive in its own way, I guess.
 

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