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*Official* India in Pakistan Thread
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aussie_beater
State Vice-Captain
I am not sure what Dravid was thinking or thinking at all....Any batsman earns the right to his double ton(unless he gets out), after scoring 194 with all that sweat and toil. And I would need a lot of convincing on the team exigency which prompted the decision...I mean, what was it that couldn't be done one over later ? This is absolutely stupid and whether or not Ganguly advised Dravid to do it or not, it remains a decision that was made by Dravid and he is the one who is solely responsible for this stupidity.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
This is not stupidity, this is game plan. No Individual, not even Tendulkar, is bigger than the game and that's what this declaration was all about. There was no Guarntee that Sachin was going to score a hundred in next over, He could have got out or have taken another 3-4 overs to score his 200, we all saw him in Australia how he slowed down the innings in Sydney test, didn't we ?
I am glad that Dravid had the guts to make the right call.
I am glad that Dravid had the guts to make the right call.
aussie_beater
State Vice-Captain
Yeah ? what gameplan would have been messed up if one more over could be given to a batsman to score the double ton he deserves...captains normally make a balanced decision when declarations need to made with a personal milestone for a batsman coming closer. Its not about Sachin...it could be any batsman.
we definitely need a couple of swing bowlers in our bowling line up but instead a competition has been held on speed. heres the results from UFONE speed comp in punjab province.
Mohammed adil 89mph
mohammed irshaad 87mph
both of them are in the final to be held on april 4th and will be shown live on PTV.
by the way these are average speeds.
Mohammed adil 89mph
mohammed irshaad 87mph
both of them are in the final to be held on april 4th and will be shown live on PTV.
by the way these are average speeds.
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Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
In Sydney he was alllowed to cross the milestone of 236 (Sunny Gavaskar's highest score ) and it took him forever, in this match it was another milestone, next match it will be some other..How much longer we need to do this..Cricket isn't about personal milestones, if you get it then good for you, if not, hard luck, team comes first.aussie_beater said:
Dravid did the right thing and his decision would have been vindicated had our bowlers taken couple of wickets.
Yuvraj4Tests
Cricket Spectator
I am new here and I am a big Yuvraj fan.
I will like to congratulate Sehwag for teh first ever triple ton by an Indian, sachin for his 190 odd and Yuvraj for performing really well in whatever limited oppurtunities he get.
I will like to congratulate Sehwag for teh first ever triple ton by an Indian, sachin for his 190 odd and Yuvraj for performing really well in whatever limited oppurtunities he get.
Yuvraj4Tests
Cricket Spectator
I completely agree with what Dravid did...Team always come first.
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Eddie's day 2 match report
Hope you Indian fans like reading it as much as I enjoyed writing it.
For the Pakistani fans - well, there's 3 more days to go - maybe we'll get a triple from Inzy.
Hope you Indian fans like reading it as much as I enjoyed writing it.
For the Pakistani fans - well, there's 3 more days to go - maybe we'll get a triple from Inzy.
Unfortuntaly I had to work so missed the end of the days play, but how was Tendulkar batting at the time? As it reads as if the declaring came as a surprise... Iam sure if Tendulkar knew it was coming he could have hit those 6 runs in a over or two at the most, it still would have given India 15 overs to bowl to Pakistan at the end of the day.Yuvraj4Tests said:
Maybe Dravid was being nice to Sehwag and didn't want anyone to steel his spotlight, so didn't let Tendulkar get to a equally impressive milestone, who knows.
aussie_beater
State Vice-Captain
Ofcourse Cricket is not a game of personal milestones, but its a game where statistics and milestones have more meaning then most other sports with the exception of baseball. Its something that fans value and players look for. And it has been a courtesy that captains accord to batsman who are about to reach a milestone, unless some team objective is going to be put under serious trouble by doing that. Also the scoring rate was around 4 an over at that point, so any worries about the scoring being slow and all that are unfounded.
Yes, you can argue that if the Indian bowlers had got a wicket or two, his decision would have been vindicated... but it didn't, right ? Such a decision is made without delay when there is some benefit that can be drawn from the conditions like fading light or a breeze or impending rain or what have you.Was any of that in sight ? No !! So the "team cause" excuse is lame at best when some more runs could have been scored and a batsman could have achieved his personal milestone as well.
Yes, you can argue that if the Indian bowlers had got a wicket or two, his decision would have been vindicated... but it didn't, right ? Such a decision is made without delay when there is some benefit that can be drawn from the conditions like fading light or a breeze or impending rain or what have you.Was any of that in sight ? No !! So the "team cause" excuse is lame at best when some more runs could have been scored and a batsman could have achieved his personal milestone as well.
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
He (Tendulkar) actually reached a world record - yet much of the media missed it.Proud Indian said:
Funnily enough, I never mentioned it in my match report either (runs off to correct it)
The point I was making was that Sehwag now stands out as the major inning of the innings, whereas if Tendulkar made 200 then the media would have focused alot on that too (as 200 is no mean feet itself and just being Tendulkar it would get alot of coverage), therefore taking the spotlight away from a stunning innings by Sehwag.Proud Indian said:
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Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Aussie beater - As a fan I dont care about Sachin Tendulkar's or for that matter any player's personal milestone. Btw what was the milestone again ?? He had already scored his 33rd century and was on course to make a successive 200 which isn't any milestone IMO. Sachin himself has said on many occasions that 'Records dont matter to him', then why this dissappointment ?
As for the team cause being an 'excuse' are you accusing Dravid having some grudge against Tendulkar ? No one can guarantee that Sachin was going to make his double century in next over, Sydney being recent example of it when he was allowed to break SMG's 236 and slowed down the inning when a newbie like Parthiv Patel scored a quickfire 60 in 50 balls, Sachin took almost 40 balls to score 36 runs. How many times are we going to allow players to complete their milestone. Yes we didn't get any wicket, but we were close, and missed it by a whisker.
As for the team cause being an 'excuse' are you accusing Dravid having some grudge against Tendulkar ? No one can guarantee that Sachin was going to make his double century in next over, Sydney being recent example of it when he was allowed to break SMG's 236 and slowed down the inning when a newbie like Parthiv Patel scored a quickfire 60 in 50 balls, Sachin took almost 40 balls to score 36 runs. How many times are we going to allow players to complete their milestone. Yes we didn't get any wicket, but we were close, and missed it by a whisker.
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
I cannot see this being anything other than a premeditated decision (i.e. when the next wicket goes down we declare). Maybe he could have given him another over, but what if Sachin was unable to get the strike?
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Tendulkar would have had the consolation of knowing he has got 1/2 overs n then it couldnt be helped..luckyeddie said:
Here, they declared and 'surprised Tendulkar' as he said himself. That was not on..
You may go on to ask what if Tendulkar is on 199 after those 2 overs or 1 over given to him.. I doubt he would have or most fans would have grudged that as he was given the opportunity..