Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Jacks? 
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pup11
International Coach
I agree with Pup, Monty needs to be dropped from the odi side his fielding is really poor (though he tries hard but still his fielding is dire), he can't bat but more importantly he bowls really flat in the odi's, i think Blackwell would be a better odi option.
Freddie should bat at 7 or 8, its about time people just stop expecting Freddie to set the world on fire with his batting.
Freddie should bat at 7 or 8, its about time people just stop expecting Freddie to set the world on fire with his batting.
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SpaceMonkey
International Debutant
England are hoping if they persist with Monty he'll start to learn to flight the ball / vary pace a bit more. Which in turn will make him a better Test bowler as well. Doesn't seem to be happening though!
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
He bowled a bit better in the last two ODIs, but I'm not convinced myself. Blackwell's now fully fit (well as fit as he ever is), should of gone IMO, give Monty a rest in readiness for the Test series.
SpaceMonkey
International Debutant
Well i think they should stick with Monty for a little while longer yet. Like you said he's hardly getting spanked. Just not making the impact we are expecting. I think they want him to be a wicket taking Spinner, not just a 'bowl in the middle overs keep it tight' spinner which is the norm for England in the past.
I certainly wouldn't have Blackwell near the England side ever again. He's not fit to be an international player with bat or ball.
Picking Swann is a step in the right direction, be interesting if they use him to open the innings as a pinch hitter if he is picked.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
His bowling in ODI's was OK, wasn't it? Agreed that his batting was massively disappointing though. Not that I think he should have been picked this winter.
Well they've picked Swann as Monty's partner/competitor for SL. One hopes he is like Sidebottom and proves to be a more mature and better cricketer than he was on his first go for England. Beter choice than Blackwell IMO - he is a big six hitter on that small ground at taunton but has failed with the bat internationally and he might be one of the few players one could pick in place of Monty that would NOT improve the fielding. Swann is in istead of unfit Tremlett (but we need two spinners for SL anyway) and (as always with England) there are crocks there (Bopara and Sidebottom as well as Flintoff's ankle)
Agent TBY
International Captain
9, 10, Jack.Jacks?
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I would go with Blackie, purely on a bowling front. He did well when he played for england. He should bat 8 or 9, it may come off every now and again, and he's a better bat then Monty. Looking at his agricultural batting, which admittedly can look shocking, is a red-herring, tbh.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Blackwell has quite a poor domestic one day bowling record, but I don't really know why, other than the fact that Taunton is his home ground. His figures in ODIs stack up well and even watching him bowl, he looks the part. I'd probably give him a go based just on that, really. His batting is a mute point; he's obviously not a great batsman, but if he's going to bat at 8 or 9 anyway, it doesn't really matter, and he's surely better than Panesar.
Monty is a bowler...he shouldnt be dropped because he didnt score runs...thats just stupid...so yh...i agree with you.
Monty is a better bowler than Blackwell and that should be the only factor that should be considered when picking the spinner. Monty is alright for a #11....and its not like England have a long tail or anything. Why would you sacrifice good bowling so that about 10 more runs can be scored? On the bowling front.....Monty > Blackwell TBH.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
In ODIs I disagree. May change with experience, I suppose.
i dont know the stats TBH....but the last time i saw Blackwell was a long time ago and im just saying that they dropped him for a reason. I think that its just a bit too early to replace Monty....but i do agree that if ( In ODIs) Monty continues be be mediocre, then its only fair to bring someone like Blackwell back.In ODIs I disagree. May change with experience, I suppose.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
They didn't drop him as such - he got injured, and never got back in. From what I have seen, Blackwell is definitely a better one day bowler than Panesar at this stage. I'm not basing it on Blackwell's dire batting at all; I think he's a better bowler.
Oh..Right....wasnt aware of that (probably forgot TBH).....if he is a better bowler than Panesar, he should be in the squad. But, he is probably good due to his varaiations or the ability to vary he ball. I know that Panesar doesnt look a one day bowler...i guess he doesnt have he right mind set. But, i also believe that with the right guidance, Monty could acheive one day success. In that case, i would keep both players in the squad...perhaps so that Monty could learn things like variations of delievries etc etc from watching blackwell.....that could only be better for the future of english OD cricket.
TheEpic
School Boy/Girl Captain
FFS, we've just come off the back of a hugely promising one day series which we actually won playing hard, aggressive one day cricket, and people are looking to change the side by bringing in the the tubby trundling maestro Ian Blackwell. We are not going to get anywhere by filling our side with bits and pieces cricketers, we need genuine international class bowlers who can get out quality batsmen with quality deliveries in the middle overs of the innings. Panesar is raw and naive, but he is already showing signs of improvement and his attacking instinct will become more apparent once he gets accustomed to one day cricket. Blackwell is just a backwards step into an era I personally do not wish to revisit, our darkest one day times recently in India when we got truly spanked and embarrassed.
Just give Panesar time. In Sri Lanka conditions will suit him and it will be an excellent test of the skills he is developing in the one day format. Such radical changes to a winning team are totally unwarranted, and we need to let a core group of around 15 players get used to playing with each other regularly to establish a winning team. Bringing in bit part county performers is not the key to future success.
Just give Panesar time. In Sri Lanka conditions will suit him and it will be an excellent test of the skills he is developing in the one day format. Such radical changes to a winning team are totally unwarranted, and we need to let a core group of around 15 players get used to playing with each other regularly to establish a winning team. Bringing in bit part county performers is not the key to future success.
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
Well said.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Okay. All good points there, tbh. Yet I must declare a dis-interest, which probably explains my preferred choice.
I'm really not in the least bit bothered about the results of ODIs. IMHO bowling in limited overs cricket is detrimental to Montys development as an attacking spinner in Tests, which is the Holy grail for me. I would rather he didn't play them in domestic cricket either (actually that's pretty much the case with Northamptonshire anyway).
I probably have suggested Blackwell, because of geographical bias, but tbh, I don't really give a **** who plays, as long as it's not Panesar. They could recall Robert Croft, Gareth Batty or put Richard Dawson in for all I care.
I'm really not in the least bit bothered about the results of ODIs. IMHO bowling in limited overs cricket is detrimental to Montys development as an attacking spinner in Tests, which is the Holy grail for me. I would rather he didn't play them in domestic cricket either (actually that's pretty much the case with Northamptonshire anyway).
I probably have suggested Blackwell, because of geographical bias, but tbh, I don't really give a **** who plays, as long as it's not Panesar. They could recall Robert Croft, Gareth Batty or put Richard Dawson in for all I care.