pasag
RTDAS
Yeah can't work the bloke out really, he goes around blasting Gayle and Afridi for their lack of Test cricket acumen and then he puts a picture of Andrew Symonds in his avatar!
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***Official*** India in England
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pasag
RTDAS
Vaughan has denied the events of Jellybeangate: "The guys promised me they weren't throwing them. They were just left there at a drinks interval."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/england/6924184.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/england/6924184.stm
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Quite clearly pro-Queensland bias.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Haha, Jellygate.....
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
@ Zaheer finding someone throwing jelly beans "insulting." Only just found out about it. Been trying to avoid the cricket over the last few days (plus I've been celebrating Les Cats' triumph). So funny when Asians get touchy.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Figures, the Oxbridge tossers at the BBC crowbar in every English butchering Americanism they can find.
social
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
A few thoughts
a. first game this summer that Eng havent had the conditions go their way and they've been comprehensively stuffed
b. Eng's back up bowlers (let's face it, aside from Panesar, it's second string) by and large have shocking actions - Tremlett = 5 * dross plus one spectacular and it's all down to faulty technique
c. India are 1-0 up with Dravid, apart from a couple of glorious shots, looking completely out of form
d. Tendy's game has deteriorated markedly - struggles to avoid anything short and his dismissal today was completely embarassing for a guy of his record
e. Prior is no better than a stopper and wont last long as his batting is simply not that good
f. A few players are being exposed as minnow bashers
g. Take my hat off to Vaughan - guy has stood up and has shown his class
All in all, a riveting series because both sides have weaknesses but exciting players as well
a. first game this summer that Eng havent had the conditions go their way and they've been comprehensively stuffed
b. Eng's back up bowlers (let's face it, aside from Panesar, it's second string) by and large have shocking actions - Tremlett = 5 * dross plus one spectacular and it's all down to faulty technique
c. India are 1-0 up with Dravid, apart from a couple of glorious shots, looking completely out of form
d. Tendy's game has deteriorated markedly - struggles to avoid anything short and his dismissal today was completely embarassing for a guy of his record
e. Prior is no better than a stopper and wont last long as his batting is simply not that good
f. A few players are being exposed as minnow bashers
g. Take my hat off to Vaughan - guy has stood up and has shown his class
All in all, a riveting series because both sides have weaknesses but exciting players as well
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
That's what you'll be doing after you officially lose the avatar challenge against me, after the third test.
Mermaidman
Cricket Spectator
I agree I was a staunch defender of Ian Bell but now I am worried about his quality, maybe that is a bit unfair I think consistancy is more the word.
and well done to India for winning the test they thoroughly outplayed England in the match
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Well said!
PhoenixFire
International Coach
I always imagined you as a bit of an Oxbridge tosser tbh, nothing personal.Well said!
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Twice in 24 hours I've been called a tosser here. Not sure quite what I've done to deserve that.
Also, not entirely sure why you would think I went to that famous university "Oxbridge". I didn't, as it happens.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
Well it's not always a bad thing tbh.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Haha, what's with the Oxbridge hate? I am planning to attend Oxford in a couple years.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
I reckon James will ban you within the hour or so.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Still don't get it TBH.
Burgey
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England, seems to me, are going through what sides sometimes do as they are developing into a top side but aren't quite there yet - namely, they have real trouble when the blow torch is applied to them.
5-0 here when the challenge was put to them, and they seemed to respond pretty poorly when India had a lash at 'em.
It reminds me a bit of Australia in the early 90s when they "weren't quite there yet" in terms of dominance. They had few problems at home, and could beat most teams, but their record away wasn't as good as it should have been, esp. in the subcontinent, and they couldn't crack the Windies. Likewise, they'd occasionally suffer lapses with the bat which led to dramatic collapses.
I think there are a few excuses for England here - firstly, they have come up against a good side with a much improved seam attack - Zaheer in this match was real quality and the other 2 quickies helped, apart from some brain explosions. Second, a number of their bowlers are on the injured list, although frankly Hoggard and Flintoff are the two they really miss imo - Harmison they should not miss at all, and Jones is the great unknown because he's played so sporadically over the years. Thirdly, they were of course very unlucky with the weather at Lord's where they were a bee's proverbial from a comprehensive win.
Nevertheless, there are a few issues which concern me about England if they are to take that next step.
Firstly, there is a real fragility about their middle order against quality bowling (I know, that applies to most teams). But I think Nasser raised some good points after the test finished last night, namely that while we'd all like to go at 3.5 - 4 rpo, there are times in test cricket when you simply can't, times when you need to grind it out. There are some players in the England team who need to realise that, and as Nasser said, grind out a 5 hour ton instead of blazing away to a 3 hour ton. He suggested that there are some guys in that England team who may well be flat track bullies. That may be a bit harsh, then again maybe not. Contrast the approach of some of their players in the 1st innings this test with, say, a Mike Hussey who also likes to dominate, but when things require it, can knuckle down and grind things out as well as any one.
Secondly, their current attack is very raw for test level, although I accept that Sidebottom is a seasoned professional. Tremlett bowled well yesterday in particular, but really, it was frankly too little too late. Anderson? The jury's still out for mine - I know he was fantastic at Lord's but when the acid was applied, his efforts in this test were far closer to the ones he turned out in Australia last summer than they were in the 1st test v India. The commentators yesterday went on with all this psychobabble "It sends a message for the Oval" crap - they had 4 days to send a message, for goodness sake, and delivered a mere puff on day 5, when a fully loaded steam locomotive was neded much earlier.
Another similarity I have seen in this Test which England and Australia have, is that when things aren't going well, their on-field behaviour can deteriorate. One of the things which annoys many Aussie fans is the perception (or reality) that our team has trouble copping it when things are tough. I see that in England as well atm: I see it in Vaughan, in terms of his not disciplining his players and that spoilt brat look he sometimes gets on his face which is reminiscent of Ponting's; as well as some of the other players. I suspect that it arises from having most things go so well for so long, especially at home, without really being tested.
Thirdly, their mental state/ strength. The Jelly Bean fiasco raises an interesting point. What is the state of mind of a team which plays a joke like that? I accept that it's a bit of a giggle and all, but really where is your head at if you are sufficiently bored in the middle of a test match to play a game like that? Interesting that it was done to Zaheer, and not to any of Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Laxman or Dhoni. Mind you, based on recent photos I've seen, had Sehwag been playing, he'd have lapped the jelly beans up - literally.
Likewise the chest beating which both sides in this match went on with was, frankly, laughable. It's all well and good to talk the talk, but what sets players like S Waugh apart from those on display in this match, is that he walked the walk and backed it up - neither team on display in this series frankly has a great recent record in doing that when things get tough. So often players mistake the idea of being "hard" and playing hard cricket with sledging the living daylights out of each other. It isn't. Being hard means that when things are tough, you fight harder and bring all you can muster to get your job done. The really hard players, imo, don't waste their energy on sledging when things are really tough - they're too busy concerntrating on getting the job done for their team by scoring runs or taking wickets.
Interestingly, both Aus and England don't seem to display this characteristic as much when they are playing each other. Whether familiarity breeds respect or not, I don't know. Whilst there have been some incidents between the two countries, in general, both of the last Ashes series appear to have been played in reasonably good to very good spirits.
'Twas a good test to watch this last one, and well done to India. Both sides, however, as Bumble said last night, need to get the rubbish out of their games and get back to doing what they do best - playing hard, competitive cricket - in the sense that I have just described it.
5-0 here when the challenge was put to them, and they seemed to respond pretty poorly when India had a lash at 'em.
It reminds me a bit of Australia in the early 90s when they "weren't quite there yet" in terms of dominance. They had few problems at home, and could beat most teams, but their record away wasn't as good as it should have been, esp. in the subcontinent, and they couldn't crack the Windies. Likewise, they'd occasionally suffer lapses with the bat which led to dramatic collapses.
I think there are a few excuses for England here - firstly, they have come up against a good side with a much improved seam attack - Zaheer in this match was real quality and the other 2 quickies helped, apart from some brain explosions. Second, a number of their bowlers are on the injured list, although frankly Hoggard and Flintoff are the two they really miss imo - Harmison they should not miss at all, and Jones is the great unknown because he's played so sporadically over the years. Thirdly, they were of course very unlucky with the weather at Lord's where they were a bee's proverbial from a comprehensive win.
Nevertheless, there are a few issues which concern me about England if they are to take that next step.
Firstly, there is a real fragility about their middle order against quality bowling (I know, that applies to most teams). But I think Nasser raised some good points after the test finished last night, namely that while we'd all like to go at 3.5 - 4 rpo, there are times in test cricket when you simply can't, times when you need to grind it out. There are some players in the England team who need to realise that, and as Nasser said, grind out a 5 hour ton instead of blazing away to a 3 hour ton. He suggested that there are some guys in that England team who may well be flat track bullies. That may be a bit harsh, then again maybe not. Contrast the approach of some of their players in the 1st innings this test with, say, a Mike Hussey who also likes to dominate, but when things require it, can knuckle down and grind things out as well as any one.
Secondly, their current attack is very raw for test level, although I accept that Sidebottom is a seasoned professional. Tremlett bowled well yesterday in particular, but really, it was frankly too little too late. Anderson? The jury's still out for mine - I know he was fantastic at Lord's but when the acid was applied, his efforts in this test were far closer to the ones he turned out in Australia last summer than they were in the 1st test v India. The commentators yesterday went on with all this psychobabble "It sends a message for the Oval" crap - they had 4 days to send a message, for goodness sake, and delivered a mere puff on day 5, when a fully loaded steam locomotive was neded much earlier.
Another similarity I have seen in this Test which England and Australia have, is that when things aren't going well, their on-field behaviour can deteriorate. One of the things which annoys many Aussie fans is the perception (or reality) that our team has trouble copping it when things are tough. I see that in England as well atm: I see it in Vaughan, in terms of his not disciplining his players and that spoilt brat look he sometimes gets on his face which is reminiscent of Ponting's; as well as some of the other players. I suspect that it arises from having most things go so well for so long, especially at home, without really being tested.
Thirdly, their mental state/ strength. The Jelly Bean fiasco raises an interesting point. What is the state of mind of a team which plays a joke like that? I accept that it's a bit of a giggle and all, but really where is your head at if you are sufficiently bored in the middle of a test match to play a game like that? Interesting that it was done to Zaheer, and not to any of Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Laxman or Dhoni. Mind you, based on recent photos I've seen, had Sehwag been playing, he'd have lapped the jelly beans up - literally.
Likewise the chest beating which both sides in this match went on with was, frankly, laughable. It's all well and good to talk the talk, but what sets players like S Waugh apart from those on display in this match, is that he walked the walk and backed it up - neither team on display in this series frankly has a great recent record in doing that when things get tough. So often players mistake the idea of being "hard" and playing hard cricket with sledging the living daylights out of each other. It isn't. Being hard means that when things are tough, you fight harder and bring all you can muster to get your job done. The really hard players, imo, don't waste their energy on sledging when things are really tough - they're too busy concerntrating on getting the job done for their team by scoring runs or taking wickets.
Interestingly, both Aus and England don't seem to display this characteristic as much when they are playing each other. Whether familiarity breeds respect or not, I don't know. Whilst there have been some incidents between the two countries, in general, both of the last Ashes series appear to have been played in reasonably good to very good spirits.
'Twas a good test to watch this last one, and well done to India. Both sides, however, as Bumble said last night, need to get the rubbish out of their games and get back to doing what they do best - playing hard, competitive cricket - in the sense that I have just described it.
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irfan
State Captain
^Fair effort that. Agree with most of your sentiments, btw.
I would suggest dropping Sreesanth for all his onfield antics but sadly I don't see any ready made replacement. Both Ishant Sharma and Ranadeb Bose fail to impress sufficiently to hand them a test debut. I don't know what to make of Sreesanth, seems to crave the spotlight more than Pietersen but unlike Pietersen he doesn't always have the game to back it up. If Munaf was available, he would be a ready made replacement.
I would suggest dropping Sreesanth for all his onfield antics but sadly I don't see any ready made replacement. Both Ishant Sharma and Ranadeb Bose fail to impress sufficiently to hand them a test debut. I don't know what to make of Sreesanth, seems to crave the spotlight more than Pietersen but unlike Pietersen he doesn't always have the game to back it up. If Munaf was available, he would be a ready made replacement.