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***Official*** India in England 2014

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Dan

Hall of Fame Member
Maximas said:
Nah man, opening against Steyn and co in their own backyard, pfft, wait till the real stuff starts, he'll be off to the IPL in no time
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Nah, I'm not suggesting facing Steyn at home is easy for a second. Far from it. That's basically the biggest challenge in world cricket and Vijay scored runs.

My point is that, IMO, while Vijay's been very good at capitalising on his post-recall purple patch, when that purple patch ends I don't see him working his arse off to try and fix it. Whether he fails against Steyn or Lakmal is thoroughly irrelevant; when he goes through a period of bad form -- as all batsmen do -- I neither see the selectors keeping faith in him, or Vijay himself fighting, to come out the other side. Probably comes from my bias towards batsmen who hit a million balls in the nets to fix problems, and resentment towards those picked for Tests on the basis of their T20 abilities/"oh he looks good, so we have to pick him".

Though tbf there weren't exactly many Vijay alternatives when he was recalled, since I reckon Mukund would've been far less likely to actually make runs..

Obviously if you don't believe this is just a period of good form for Vijay, then my argument is hopelessly invalid. And that's fine, by no means do you have to agree with me -- I'm not trying to convert you to antiVijayism or anything -- and CW would be incredibly boring if we all agreed 100% of the time.

At the end of the day, I just really don't rate Vijay.
 
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Cruxdude

Cruxdude

International Debutant
Cevno said:
Am i the only one who thinks Sir Jadeja has bowled well during this series given the circumstances and the help available? Plus he keeps one end tight pretty well and gets through plenty of overs quickly. Contributed 25 - 30 runs in 2 out of 3 innings as well.

Not sure what dropping him for Ashwin in a 4 man attack would achieve. Ashwin doesn't exactly have a record of doing well on such surfaces or overseas in general and can't even keep a end tied up like Jadeja. He'd do better with the Bat probably but worse overall with the ball. If he has to be brought in then should bring him in the Binny role at 7 but depends on the surface really.

As for Dhawan with the knock in this innings shouldn't be dropped right now either.

So As things stand unless they do something remarkable in the remaining match, i'd drop Ishant and Binny.
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Agree regarding Jadeja. The main problem with Ashwin was too many hit me balls trying out his variations. I do think he should play ahead of Binny if we go with 5 bowlers but I am not certain he will do much better than Jadeja.

The reason I want Dhawan out is probably more to do with my prejudice.I do not feel confident with him at the top of the line-up. He displayed great character in NZ but in his admittedly short career those are the only 50+ scores after his debut century.

He is not going to be dropped though and hopefully he will prove me wrong.
 
Cruxdude

Cruxdude

International Debutant
Regarding Vijay, I do not think he was in the best of forms in the IPL when he got picked again. IIRC it was totally out of the blue and people were pretty pissed. He has shown great character in grinding it out when the going is tough (totally unlike a hack who is just here because of the IPL).
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Couple of thoughts:

1) This is a very likeable Indian team; Pujara, Kumar and Vijay all seem complete sweethearts and Dhawan has the look of a loveable rogue about him.

2) I can't see how Jadeja has crept ahead of Ashwin in the pecking order. Seems worse in both batting and bowling.
 
Cruxdude

Cruxdude

International Debutant
BoyBrumby said:
Couple of thoughts:

1) This is a very likeable Indian team; Pujara, Kumar and Vijay all seem complete sweethearts and Dhawan has the look of a loveable rogue about him.

2) I can't see how Jadeja has crept ahead of Ashwin in the pecking order. Seems worse in both batting and bowling.
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There was a story going around a year back that Vijay was India's John Terry :P
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
So is he:

a) a racist?

b) prone to shagging teammates' partners?

c) from a family of drug dealers and ticket touts?

d) just a massive, moist, throbbing front bottom?

d) all of the above?
 
Teja.

Teja.

Global Moderator
Dan, your view that when a batsman is in good form, the quality of opponent doesn't matter and we need to wait till he's in bad form to see what he's made of etc. is something I find myself disagreeing strongly with. There's a reason why a bunch of mediocre batsman across the world in good form don't score runs against the best bowling attacks simply by a function of their form. I mean it's weird that you'd rate Thomas Latham as a world class opener (just for example) for having two decent tests in the west Indies and still wonder if someone like Vijay is just having an extended hot run.

Vijay's never going to anywhere as good as Pujara-Kohli-Rahane or go down in history or whatever but India will be really happy if we can even squeeze out a slightly worse than Gambhir career out of him.(who averages 45 over 53 tests as opener and in his 'purple patch' ascended to number one in the ICC batting rankings) Besides, I really like him because he adjusts incredibly well, he knows exactly what he's up against in every test and will leave every ****ing ball he doesn't need to play to score a useful 30 (89) opening the batting in tough conditions vs. world class bowling and can cash in and score a 140 when the going is good, one of the best cricketers I've seen at adapting to conditions based on his own limitations.
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
It's a completely false opposition Swann has imagined for himself; the removal of Cook doesn't necessarily mean the triumph of Pietersen and his rancid collection of apologists.

I never wanted Pietersen removed, but I don't have to share a dressing room with him and that ship has sailed. For all his protestations to the contrary, his actions speak far louder about his remaining ambitions to play for his (mother's) country. If he was even semi-serious he'd be turning out in first class cricket still.
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Could today be Dhoni's biggest moment in his test career with the bat? Maybe even bigger than Lord's 07. Don't **** it up MS.
 
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