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Official Gibbs Ban Thread

SirBloody Idiot

Cricketer Of The Year
The only way to deal with the crowd:





:ph34r:
:laugh:

I remember that guy coming out and saying 'I gave as good as I got.' I thought he **** himself.

I'm not sure about this, though. Did he say it to the crowd and go 'you are ****ing animals' or did he say to his team mates 'they are ****ing animals.'

If the latter, he shouldn't be banned.
 

McKanga

School Boy/Girl Captain
legglancer12 said:
.....The International Cricket Council are a bunch of weak-kneed administrators who want to cover up for their mistakes of the past by making an example of Herschelle Gibbs..........
Time for him to rush to London, discover his English heritage, and replace Pietersen.

legglancer12 said:
....."Just think about how they looked away when the South African players were the victims of racist remarks in Australia last year. Why did they not act then?.....
And just how do they act against white South African fans abusing black South African players in Australia?

legglancer12 said:
....."If there's one thing Herschelle is not, it's a racist." .....
Meaning what, that he's a whole lot of other unpleasant things? Poor choice of words.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
I don't think the comment was meant as racist.
This is the thing for me...

No-one seems to have been forthcoming, so we can only guess... but if the only thing Gibbs said was "they're a bunch of ****in animals"... how on Earth is that racist? Now, if he'd said "they're a bunch of ****in Pakky animals", then obviously that would be racist. But if the only thing that he said which the accusation rests on is the thing we know about, then calling him racist is utterly and totally stupid.

I don't, personally, even think calling them animals is inappropriate at all - a bit careless to do so where the stump-mics can pick it up, yes, but when you've copped what those ****s were hurling at the SA players (not like it's been isolated, either, there've been big problems with Pakistani "fans" in Britain on at least the last 2 tours - and yes, plenty from fans of all countries in many other places: Australians hurling stuffed chickens at Pat Symcox; Kiwis spitting on Matthew Hayden or whoever it was; SAfricans themselves throwing hot soup all over Merv Hughes; etc. etc.) I hardly think saying to your team-mates "they're a bunch of animals" is particularly inappropriate.

And if that really is all he's been banned for, it's a completely stupid ruling IMO.

If, however, there's more to it I think we should hear "there were other comments, and we feel these were the inappropriate ones, and these are the reason for the ban".
 

gunner

U19 Cricketer
the fans speak
Turns out 1 was a pakistan supporter while 2 supported south africa


'Harris is to blame for cricket row'

By Barry Bateman

The three cricket supporters involved in the Herschelle Gibbs controversy claim Paul Harris is to blame for the entire debacle.

Zeeshan Khalique, a Pakistani supporter, and South African supporters Towhid Hasan and Mohammed Hasan were ejected from SuperSport Park, Centurion, on Sunday during the first Test between South Africa and Pakistan.

They claim Harris overreacted after they heckled him from the sidelines and spurred Gibbs's reaction after complaining to captain Graeme Smith.

'He doesn't give a f*** what we think'
Khalique said they arrived at the stadium two hours before lunch and took up their seats close to the screen in the front near the pitch.

Hasan said Khalique made a remark at Harris about his bowling.


"He said Harris was lucky South Africa needed a spin bowler and that Paul Adams should replace him.

"Harris turned to us and said that he doesn't give a f*** what we think. He told Zeeshan that he was a traitor and he should f*** off back to Pakistan."

Towhid said when Harris returned to the sideline, he approached Harris for an autograph telling him that he believed in him.

Khalique said Harris went back to bowl and was doing well. "He made a few maiden overs then bowled out Faisel Iqbal. When he did this, he turned to us and made the rude gestures again.

"The players had a team talk on the field and while Harris was talking to Smith he pointed at us. At that point, Andrew Hall ran to a nearby security guard. Minutes later a number of security guards surrounded us and ******ed us out of the grounds."

Towhid said the three tried to explain their side of the story to the security guards. "They would not listen to us."

Mohammed said: "I want Harris to apologise for the way he behaved and I advise Gibbs to know the whole story before making remarks."

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=4&art_id=vn20070117070336968C769930
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
They had Smtih wired up for the 20/20 match V Aust in OZ last season, and he came across as quite a nice, charming person. Still it did not make me watch all of that crap match known as 20/20 :@
If you think the shots played in the Twenty20 are any worse than the shots played in the first two games of the Commonwealth Bank Series you're seriously deluded. Shame that one of the Twenty20-hater brigade are baselessly whining about Twenty20 in completely unrelated threads as usual.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Shame the Twenty20 supporter brigade are baselessly whinging in completely unrelated threads as usual.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
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No-one seems to have been forthcoming, so we can only guess... but if the only thing Gibbs said was "they're a bunch of ****in animals"... how on Earth is that racist? Now, if he'd said "they're a bunch of ****in Pakky animals", then obviously that would be racist.
"****ing go back to the Zoo. ****ing Pakistanis."
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Right, I hadn't heard that one before. Makes sense now.

EDIT: even so, I'm not totally sure how that constitutes racism. It's derogatory towards Pakistanis, certainly, and if he genuinely possesses those attitudes he needs something more than a 2-Test ban. What I think is pretty likely, though, is that he needs a reprimand of some sort for saying something utterly stupid which he didn't think about before saying, and how it would sound to every Pakistani in World cricket. Maybe that's the reason he was banned for 2 Tests - to keep him away from Pakistanis for the time being...
 
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GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Its ruining the pakistan vs south africa thread so we should discuss it here
im continuing it here


i dont see why this should be a special case for gibbs cos the crowd pissed him off

nearly every other player gets abuse from the crowd and if noone else retaliates then gibbs should be able to ignore it too

if you want the yobs to apologise then why not round every crowd member who has abused players in history to apologise?

should FIFA allow a liverpool football player to jump in the crowd and kick the **** out of an everton fan for abusing him
?
I'm all up for the abuse of Everton fans myself, so yes.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Right, I hadn't heard that one before. Makes sense now.

EDIT: even so, I'm not totally sure how that constitutes racism. It's derogatory towards Pakistanis, certainly, and if he genuinely possesses those attitudes he needs something more than a 2-Test ban. What I think is pretty likely, though, is that he needs a reprimand of some sort for saying something utterly stupid which he didn't think about before saying, and how it would sound to every Pakistani in World cricket.
I agree with you. I said he needs a one test ban because thats the punishment Shoaib got when he said '**** off' to Graeme Smith a couple years back.
 

legglancer12

School Boy/Girl Captain
The truth is out there, Hersch

Telford Vice

January 17, 2007

Howzit Hersch,

Trust you're bearing up - this too shall pass, at least, that's what they tell me. Anyway. It was wonderful to see you in decent batting nick at Centurion. Good grafting stuff, and bad luck about missing the century.

As for the other issue, if the offending fans were white would you still have said what you said? That's what the racism argument boils down to, you see.

I'm asking this question because when the South African team suffered racist abuse from spectators - most of them white - in Australia last season, there was no shouting about or at the fans from the field. At least, none seems to have been recorded.

I'm not calling you racist, I'm trying to explain why some people might do so.

And what about the Pakistani batsmen who were out there on the field with you? Didn't you think that what you said broke the admittedly unwritten rules of sledging? Also, how does it change anything if you were talking to your teammates? The comments you made are still out there, regardless.

I have to tell you that when I heard for myself what you said, I was disgusted. It's not the swearing. Bloody hell, I'm a reporter - we were born effing and blinding, and I'll continue to do so until I b****r off this mortal coil at the age of 112. So swearing doesn't scare me. Instead, it was your harsh tone that struck me most.

There was something close to hate in your voice, Hersch, and that's not a pretty sound. I have this mental pen pic of you as an easy-going bloke who enjoys his talent and realises how lucky he is to make his living in the sunshine. That wasn't what I heard on that tape.

I do not doubt that the Pakistan supporters were becoming increasingly unruly. They were loud and irritating from the distance of the press box, never mind from over your shoulder. In fact, the reporting of this story has been unfair to you because all we have to go on is what you said. This saga will remain unfairly skewed against you unless we are somehow able to reveal what the fans were saying. Let no one suggest that they are blameless in all this.

Be that as it may, if the security staff did their jobs properly when they removed the supporters who swore at Paul Harris, why didn't you call the big boys in when things went too far where you were fielding?

I should tell you that I do have some idea of how you felt. Three hours after the close of play on Sunday, I was still working in the press box. The plan was to send the BBC a few clips of what Mickey Arthur had said at the press conference that evening. The plan was not working, because of a man and his leafblower.

Now, a leafblower is an inspired choice for removing the debris left behind in the stands by the crowd after a day's play, and this bloke had been doing his job infuriatingly well for two hours. Do you know what a leafblower sounds like, Hersch? It's a bit like an elephant shoving its trunk into your ear and trumpeting for all its worth. Try editing audio clips with that racket going on.

After two hours of this little lot, the end of my tether was at hand. The chairs in the Centurion press box are sturdy, and made of metal ... Yup, I hurled a chair into the stand the man was cleaning. Not at him, of course - I was simply trying to attract his attention to ask him when a semblance of silence might return. But that doesn't change anything. I should have contacted the stadium manager, I should have followed the procedures. I should have kept my cool. I didn't.

I enjoyed an instant of satisfaction as the chair clattered into the plastic stadium seating. Then I realised just what an unprofessional, reckless idiot I had been. I tried to find the man to apologise, but he was long gone.

The next morning, I asked for a few moments of the stadium chief executive's time. I explained myself, and I was relieved when she decided to let the matter rest there.

I think I reacted as most people would have done. I realised I had done something that required an apology and that I might have my accreditation withdrawn as a consequence. That realisation doesn't make me anything special, it was entirely normal.

Which makes me wonder why, after admitting your guilt, you're now pursuing an appeal. It looks like you think you needn't have to face the consequences of your actions.

I can't tell you how disappointing that is. But, hey, I'll get over it, and pretty soon you'll be one of my favourite players again.

I'll stop bending your ear now. Before I do, I need to ask you to keep this between us. I know it's going to be on the worldwide web, and that many millions of people will have access to it. But there's stuff in here that I'd rather not have broadcast out there. So, off the record? Know what I mean?

Cheers,

Telford Vice
 

McKanga

School Boy/Girl Captain
Not to mention the thousands of white Australians who thought it'd be funny to copy them...
Oh sure. We suddenly spontaneously understood and spoke Afrikaans. London tabloids again, like the dreadful abuse Panesar was going to cop.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
No, I've never done anything of the sort, because "thread hijacking" is a stupid term, threads are not something that can be hijacked, they're there for people to post what they want to post within the rules (no flame-throwing, no baseless insults, etc.). As long as your discussion bears relation to cricket, you can't hijack a thread.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Oh sure. We suddenly spontaneously understood and spoke Afrikaans.
You don't have to speak an entire language to learn to say two or three words that you read or hear.

And if you're suggesting that no Australians (or virtually none) were among those throwing racist abuse, there seem to be a whole lot of South African expats in Australia all of a sudden...
London tabloids again, like the dreadful abuse Panesar was going to cop.
Despite the fact that everyone from CricInfo to the Afrikaaner papers was saying the exact same thing...
 

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